Canada dumps Boeing fighter jet deal over trade dispute with US

Plans to buy 18 Boeing Super Hornet fighter jets have been scrapped by the Canadian government due to the deepening dispute with the US aerospace company, sources told Reuters.

According to the sources, next week Ottawa will announce it intends to acquire a used fleet of older Australian F-18 jets. It’s the same type of plane the Royal Canadian Air Force currently operates.

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  • The Buddhist Butterfly

    Do you have any idea how many parkas you could buy and how many $10.5 million dollar checks you could write for the cost of 18 Super Hornets?

    • Drunk by Noon ✓

      That was supposedly a 9 BILLION dollar sale that went away.

      • It’s just money, guys.

        Now let’s focus on what China could buy this week-end. Alberta?

  • Shebel

    Hopefully they will be half as good as the used Submarines that we got from England.

    • Dave

      That was my first thought too.

    • Millie_Woods

      What ever happened to that thing anyway?

      • Watchman

        Someone in Canada procurement decided to buy a reduced capability Upholder-class submarines from Britain to save money, and ordered the cheaper non-upgradeable configuration that offered the ability to submerge but not the ability to surface. /sarc

        • Frances

          Ah, yes, and guess who the PM was back in 1998 when this happened? The same one who shot down the Sea King replacements, forcing their crews to fly under increasingly unsafe conditions.

  • Bataviawillem

    That link goes to “Pyongyang on the Prairie”?

  • dance…dancetotheradio

    Gee, Boeing has a plant in Winnipeg.

    • Drunk by Noon ✓

      Yep, they make 787 composite parts there.

      • Clink9

        A very nice aircraft but I noticed the floor bends when the New Age lard butt flight attendants walk by.

    • canminuteman

      I was going to say that Boeing has a plant in Arnprior (small town , Ottawa Valley), but they don’t anymore. I don’t know the details but since 2005 it has been Arnprior Aerospace and they have plants in Arnprior, Montreal, Portland OR, and Chihuahua, Mexico.

  • Drunk by Noon ✓

    Maybe if Justin talked less smack about his largest trading partner, these kinds of disagreements might not come up?
    Maybe.

    Why not really flip America the middle finger and rearm with Russian Sukhoi Su-27s?
    Russia would give you a good price I’m sure.

    • UCSPanther

      If Trudeau thought Trump was a hard negotiator, he would learn the hard way that Putin is probably worse.

      Trudeau is hopelessly outclassed on the world stage…

      • Drunk by Noon ✓

        Trump originally had no beef with Canada until Justin miscalculated and started bad-mouthing him before (and since) the election.
        Now stuff that should be a no-brainier is suddenly difficult.
        Do you really think we don’t want to sale Canada a bunch of F-18s?

        • shasta

          Trudeau II does not seem to understand that when you are a protectorate you don’t get to set the rules. Canada has not had a sensible defense policy since the 1960s (if they even had one then). The “country” refuses to pay the price to defend itself properly and the country will disappear into the history books with adjectives such as, “should have” and “could have” but in the end “didn’t”.

      • He doesn’t know how to negotiate. He is a trustifarian. He just prances around and makes nice with China, the same country that is using him. It only looks like he is working.

    • Alain

      All the more reason for Trump to scrap NAFTA. At least I hope he does. The only possible way to wake up the majority of my fellow citizens is for our country to be brought to its knees.

      • Drunk by Noon ✓

        I hope not.

        • Alain

          Why not? Negoatiating various bilateral trade agreements between the two countries, excluding Mexico, and rejecting the “progressive” demands of Trudeau would be far superior to NAFTA.

      • Maggat

        Like DbN, I hope not, but the fireworks would be quite the show.

    • shasta

      Why not the su-35? Some say it is better than the f-35. The liberals seem to think some old Aussie rust buckets are a better use of tax dollars, but an order for a couple hundred su-35s would make us Putin’s best buddies. Those future sales of Canada to fund liberal slush funds could then continue unabated.

      • vwVwwVwv

        They are allways better until, yes until 1 Israeli old plane shoots 5 of them out of the sky’s.

        • shasta

          Sorry I hadn’t considered Canada taking on the Israelis; but with the Liberals in power who knows.

          • vwVwwVwv

            In Power, it’s like a bunch of hens.
            No, it’s my bad English.
            I remember the story’s of the superiority of Russian Migs and stuff.
            Yes the Russian Migs are robust but when you need a battle horse
            and have only a drey horse you will probably get butchered.

          • vwVwwVwv

            Can’t even imagin a conflict of Canada vs Israel.

      • Drunk by Noon ✓

        I think the Su-35s are still kind of experimental.

        I stand corrected, they are in production and Russia is selling them for export.
        Yeah, get some of those then! Buy a handful of spare engines, and you are set!

        • El Martyachi ✓ᴴᵉˡᶦᶜᵒᵖᵗᵉʳᶦˢᵗ

          Yeah, no. This isn’t a video game. Super Hornets or the 2040 Eagle.

          • Drunk by Noon ✓

            The 2040 Eagle would be a pretty rational choice for Canada.
            Keep in mind that by 2040 the F-15 will have been flying for SIXTY EIGHT YEARS by 2040.
            68 years.
            Wow!
            That would be like flying Sopwith Camels until 1985!
            That still might be a good choice for Canada assuming you could have airframes that you could pile on the hours and just keep around forever.

          • El Martyachi ✓ᴴᵉˡᶦᶜᵒᵖᵗᵉʳᶦˢᵗ

            There’s still brand new ones — the production line for export is still running. It just needs to be cranked up a few notches.

          • El Martyachi ✓ᴴᵉˡᶦᶜᵒᵖᵗᵉʳᶦˢᵗ

            The Super Hornet is probably a better choice though.. even though it’s a new airframe there’s gotta be a huge amount of overlap with the old ones so our dollar should, in theory, go a lot further with those. But I’m prejudiced.. the eagles are a fav. I got to see them both this summer, on static display and flying (along with the underwhelming F-35).

          • Drunk by Noon ✓

            With the CA-18 and the Superhornet there is almost zero overlap.
            They really are two separate airplanes with noting in common but appearance of a general F-18 “look”.
            Since you aren’t bouncing them off of carrier decks once or twice a day, you should be able almost double the hours and flying cycles, I think.
            The CF-18s that you guys have weren’t really anticipated to be flying past about the year 2,000.
            I think the F-15 (2040) would still have better range and endurance than the Super Hornet and for the type of mission you guys fly (long patrols and Bear Bomber interceptions) the F-15 looks like a good choice.

          • El Martyachi ✓ᴴᵉˡᶦᶜᵒᵖᵗᵉʳᶦˢᵗ

            I was thinking mostly in terms of general flight characteristics. The whole incremental-design idea (like what the Russians have done with the flanker) seems saner than chucking everything each time around and starting from scratch. The Super Hornet also has conformal shoulder tanks and buddy refueling capability, so range-wise it’s looking pretty good. PLUS.. add in a smattering of the Growler variants and ya got EW capacity on the cheap too.

          • El Martyachi ✓ᴴᵉˡᶦᶜᵒᵖᵗᵉʳᶦˢᵗ

            Meh, it’s probably a moot point anyway. Unless they’re painted with a rainbow colour scheme and have high capacity dildo hardpoints our government won’t invest seriously.

          • El Martyachi ✓ᴴᵉˡᶦᶜᵒᵖᵗᵉʳᶦˢᵗ

            Ya’ve probably seen this.. but it doesn’t get old:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M359poNjvVA

  • SDMatt

    Colour me surprised that Trudope didn’t go with Mexican-made Bombardier aircraft.

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  • DaninVan

    Gee…wonder where they’re gonna get their spare parts from?

    (Princess Auto or maybe Canadian Tire?) 😉
    New F18’s or old F18’s …still comes up Boeing holding the whip.
    How ‘re them there F35’s looking now, Justin.

    • Clausewitz

      Buying used F 18’s from Australia means that someone in Government Procurement has no idea about air frame life cycles, and the problems they inherently bring about. Must be another one of Junior’s hiring by quota not by merit moments.

  • Jaedo Drax

    “The Australians are phasing out their FA-18s because they intend to buy
    Lockheed Martin-built F-35s, a purchase which Canada’s Liberal
    government vowed not to make in the last election.”

    the hornets from Aus were exported about the same time as our existing FA-18s were purchased; it’s entirely possible that those airframes may be showing the same kinds of wear that the existing canadian ones do (maybe not due to climate differences).

    as for Boeing not being a trusted partner in the eyes of the liberal government, well good job on buying second hand Boeing jets, that require boeing parts.

    It would be interesting for a comparison on maintenance and operating costs of the existing jets and the new used jets, versus a brand new superhornet.

    • tom_billesley

      It’s a surprise that Justin isn’t buying MiG-21s from Cuba.

      • Watchman

        Maybe some Chinese J-15s at short notice, because of the Trudeau-admired ability of the Chinese ‘basic dictatorship’† to probably make a fast delivery of these planes.

        “There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime” – Justin Trudeau, 7 November 2013

  • ontario john

    Trudeau follows the old Liberal tradition of putting Canadians at risk in the military. As a retired officer, I saw many cases over the years of young Canadians being killed or injured because of the Liberal Party neglect of the military. Meanwhile little Super Socks treated his adoring media to a ceremony remembering the Montreal massacre. No mention of the biggest disaster in Canadian history in Halifax.

  • Sharkibark

    Costs to get out of contracts? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5a484753385faa60967a7dc7de36dce305fa97ad59a94c0ea570c1f444bc3bbe.jpg Or at least close enough for most Canadians.

  • Hard Little Machine

    Not sure what your objective or goal is. The F-18 is designed around naval operations and you don’t have a navy that can use them. Go get a bunch of Saab Grippen JAS-39’s or just do without. Hell, you could probably get some old South African Mirage III’s or rebuilt Greek F-4s

  • Watchman

    Australia is still trying to get rid of its illegal immigrants that claimed asylum and were found only to be economic migrants – is Canada going to find a pair of them stuffed in the cockpits as part of the F-18 delivery? If they did, is Justin going to offer more places by offering to buy some old C-130s as long as Australia fills them up with immigrants too?

  • Brett McS

    I’m sure Australia will take these Super Hornets. We have been steadily replacing the non-super ones.

  • Ho Hum

    I’m glad they cancelled the Boeing order. We should also scrap plans to buy the F35 and any other U.S. made aircraft. The Trump administration badly damaged our aerospace industry when they imposed 300% duties on Bombardier jets (Bombardier was forced to give away the program to Airbus for free). There are very good European fighter jets that we could buy – no need to do business with the Americans.

  • simus1

    The buy from Oz would consist mostly of barely flying spare parts bins. Like the submarine fiasco, the first question that needs asking is “Which ridings would continue to get the bulk of the F-18 overhaul dollars?”

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  • Starlord

    If Trudeau was in charge of the Canadian men’s or woman hockey team (Olympics) he would only give them ringette sticks. This is his mindset.

  • richard

    And Ross hunting rifles for the infantry.

  • vwVwwVwv

    Ok, what can he get, Russian looser or French runaway jets, wait 6 month
    Boeing and when they return ask for more cash.

  • El Martyachi ✓ᴴᵉˡᶦᶜᵒᵖᵗᵉʳᶦˢᵗ

    It doesn’t matter beyond the dollars and cents anyhow. Our military is a token force and none of this fiddle fucking changes that.

  • Gary

    Memories of the Chretien era to axe the new helicopters that cost $250 million to break the Contract and keep the Sea King dinosaurs .
    Then we had David Miller in Toronto where he and Olivia Chow crusaded to stop the island bridge that the said wouldn’t cost 1 Tooney. They were half right , we got screwed out of 17,500,000 Tooneys and yet Mayor Miller said it was Win Win .
    This from a white male with an MBA from Harvard.