This report just shredded every myth claiming Canadian medicare is superior — or fair

Our health-care system was recently ranked not just below average, but at the bottom of the heap, barely outperforming France and medicare’s arch-enemy, the U.S

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  • Drunk_by_Noon

    Not America!
    They leave people to die in the streets there and don’t even pick up the bodies!

    • I know and then they shoot the dogs that eat the carrion!

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        And then we feed the dogs to women and people of color!
        Our system could certainly be better, but I know people in The UK, Canada, and Norway and I don’t think I would trade places with anyone else.

    • Alain

      So you have been watching CBC?

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        I occasionally talk to people who watch and believe the CBC.
        I’m sure it’s getting better, but you guys are HEAVILY propagandized by your own media, government, and popular culture.
        You are sold many unsound beliefs and practices under the pretense that “the Americans have it worse “.

        • Alain

          I was being sarcastic, but you are correct. I honestly cannot understand how anyone can even watch or listen to the CBC or any of our MSM. I figured out years ago that if I knew the topic, I could accurately predict how the story would go. Never once have I been wrong. I would like to comment on the myth that without our socialised health care most people would not be able to afford health care, etc. I am old enough to have lived here as a young working adult with just a very average salary at the time prior to the implementation of socialised health care. I know for a fact that even I had no difficulty paying for and getting better health care than now, and further more doctors made house calls. When the system was socialised lots of our best doctors left to practise in the USA, which was a big loss that was hidden.

    • Clink9

      No wonder you are the most Hitlery of all Hitlers!

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        If Hitler build a Disneyland, it would be just like America!

  • J. C.

    I went to the local hospital yesterday. Had severe tooth pain that was getting more intense as the day went on… Dentist can’t see me ’til Thursday… Waited 2 hours to be told to go home and take an Advil. Would’ve been better off if I’d gone straight home and started drinking…

    Bet I’d have gotten all the antibiotics I wanted if I’d just arrived from Syria…

    • Literally Hitler

      …via Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iraq or…

      • J. C.

        Minnesota?

    • Jaedo Drax

      Well, because of our opiod crisis, it’s getting harder to get pain pills when you actually need them. Also, you got lucky, you only had to wait 2 hours to get useless advice, typically, they wait 6-8 hours before dispensing that.

      • J. C.

        Thing is, I didn’t want opioids… I was hoping for antibiotics to attack the infection beneath my wisdom tooth. It’s kinda hard to get high on ampicillin…

    • andycanuck

      Are you in the States, J.C., or Canada?

      And I got 10 days of amoxicillin before my first root canal treatment; and didn’t use any painkillers after the two sessions for it. Probably took some OTC stuff but mainly remember zonking out for about 4 hours after the first session. :^)

      BTW, maybe I was just lucky or have a really good dentist (he was using high-tech X-rays) but it went very well with no problems during or after. And one session to drill it out and pack it with cotton of some type and capping it to let it drain; and a second session to fill it and give it a permanent cap.

      • J. C.

        I’m in Newfoundland. The local dentists are top notch, but wait times are a pain… The last time I needed a dentist, I had to wait a full week.

        But when you live in a rural area, waiting for stuff is just part of the game…

        • Tooth&Claw

          Phone your dentist again, and ask him for a script to get you through. They can phone your local drugstore and set it up. I had something similar and that’s what I did. Phoned the emergency dentist on call, and he set it up until I could be seen. This was over a long weekend.

          • J. C.

            Nah, the Advil is still doing it’s job (and the swelling has subsided some). I’ll live until tomorrow.

            Thanks for the concern, BTW… 😉

    • Norman_In_New_York

      I ran into the same problem nearly four years ago. An abscessed tooth nearly killed me and when I was finally rushed into surgery, I had a heart attack in the process. However, normal dental maintenance is not covered by Medicare (for which I qualify) and dentists are expensive, so it all comes down to these emergencies.

      • J. C.

        Wow! Sounds like a rough experience, Norman… Hopefully things don’t get any worse for me before my appointment. Thankfully, the Advil are offering enough pain relief to make the wait tolerable… Only 35 hours to go….

      • taxpayer

        Dental care & costs are tax deductible as medical expenses. A root canal, plus cap is about $3200 + where I live. Your annual ‘deductible’ on your taxes for medical expenses is $2237, so anything over that amount (including spouses & children, if you have them) is claimed, as well. You get a tax credit which is better than nothing. Use the system to your advantage. It’s legal to do so until it ain’t.

  • andycanuck

    Yes, the only countries in the world that don’t allow private care/insurance along with a national healthcare service are North Korean and Cuba. Proud company, indeed.

  • Felix_Culpa

    Went to original study here: http://www.commonwealthfund.org/interactives/2017/july/mirror-mirror/
    Can drill into detailed results there. Examples:
    “Experienced medical, medication, or lab mistake in past two years”: Norway most at 21%, Canada at 15%, best Germany at 7%
    “Waited 2 hrs or more in emergency room” : Canada worst at 50%, France best at 9%.
    “Waited 2 months or longer for specialist appointment” : Canada worst at 30%; Germany best at 3%

    I’m in Canada and it seems that only people who’ve NOT experienced The System think its great. When you do actually have to interact with it, it’s awful. I’m getting older, and so are my friends—you experience much more of the healthcare system first-hand when you’re in your 60s and 70s than you do in your 20s and 30s. Personal experience and that of my friends is that in any interaction with the medical system, *something* will go wrong. Sometimes fatally so.

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      The only times I have experienced unusual wait times at an emergency room are when I have been in an ER that was inundated with illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America using the place as a drop-in free clinic.
      In the parking lot you will see many license plates from Baja California. That means you likely have Mexicans coming across the border for free care that they cannot get in Mexico. They get that free care at U.S. taxpayer expense.

  • marty_p

    For those in the GTA – walk into any Greater Toronto Area Emergency Ward at any given time of the day and look at the patrons in the waiting room – it looks like the 3rd World – ’nuff said.