Grenfell Tower fatalities confirmed after residents trapped

Coverage in the Telegraph, Mail, Independent, Guardian and Express

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  • Hard Little Machine

    Eating whilst Ramadan

    • tom_billesley

      Left the pan on the stove while they went to pray?

      • Manual Paleologos

        Someone reportedly stated that his refrigerator “exploded,” starting the fire. This has not been confirmed.

        • andycanuck

          From a commenter at Ace of Spades HQ:

          London fire

          Supposedly started when refrigerator exploded.

          The new EU compliant CFC Free refrigerant in these refrigerators is either PROPANE or ISOBUTANE. Yes flammable and explosive gas! There have been a dozen previous exploding refrigerators recently.

          The gas leaks into the inside of the refrigerator and the thermostat cycling on-off provides a spark in the enclosed space and BLAMMO!

          I think the new refrigerant is called Greenfreeze or something similar.

          Posted by: rd at June 14, 2017 08:37 AM (4dz1m)

          • simus1

            The CFC refrigerant ban “hole in the ozone” con was a trail breaker for the much more ambitious Globull Warming con.
            The “first world” banning of Freon 12 coincided exactly with the expiration of the patent for same held by Dupont. Much like the patents for the most efficient machines for producing Edison light bulbs in huge quantities expired as bans on the product escalated. But you can still buy newly made Edison style lights used for “decorative purposes” at 10 to 20 times the cost of the old bulbs.

          • andycanuck

            According to the same commenter the new (non!) freezing agent was invented by Greenpeace. So that fits in well to your hypothesis.

          • Clink9

            I think those do it yourself automotive air conditoning recharge kits use a similar gas.

          • ntt1

            They started using the same as propellants in all my favoured mold release sprays.what used to be an inert gas is.now highly
            Explosive and toxic.if a heat gun is used to dry and warm molds,then great care is needed to avoid “bumps “

          • andycanuck

            Including Ease Release 200 by any chance?

          • ntt1

            Yes it has ether which can be fun but it also has some witches brew called halogenated hydro carbon
            It all blows up real good

      • mobuyus

        Maybe left the pressur cooker on too long.

        • Clausewitz

          Maybe we need a list of the ingredients…………..

  • tom_billesley

    Corporate manslaughter

  • mauser 98

    what is everybody thinking?

    • Justin St.Denis

      Everybody is thinking the same thing.

      • tom_billesley

        Manchester suicide bomber Salman Abedi made explosive in a sublet council apartment. He left behind evidence for forensic examination. Perhaps someone wasn’t going to make the same mistake.

        • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

          Not everything is terrorism related.

          It’s likely a slumlord owned building that has been ignored
          for decades by city leaders.

          • tom_billesley

            I did say perhaps.
            It’s owned by the council, with a separate company set up to manage it. Some flats are rented to social housing tenants. Some have been sold as leaseholds and may be owned by individuals or by buy-to-let landlords.

    • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

      Slumlord and a leadership who did nothing about it.

      We have buildings like that in Vancouver, one of them finally got condemned
      a few days ago and the residents being moved out.

      The owners (East indians) have a quarter billion dollars in properties yet are so cheap they eat at drop in centres that sell meals for $2.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAaFnKTk–8

      • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

        This is one of the owners, Gudi Singh with his brother Paul eating at drop-in for poor people.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SR8vBy9tpw

        • mobuyus

          So cheap they’d skin a flea for it’s hide.

          • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

            You have no idea, I actually worked for one of them for a bit.

            Paul Sahota drives a car right out of the Trailer park boys
            and during a trip to a McDonalds drive-thru he actually tried
            to get me and a guy I was with to collect change from under the seats to pay the bill along with coupons.

            The staff at the McDonalds knew him by name and were expected it.

        • mauser 98

          wow……….. cant top that one

      • Manual Paleologos

        They spent £10MM last year to install the inflammable cladding. But the place was obviously a firetrap.

  • dapto

    I’m wondering how they’ll bring the burnt out building down, normally they’d use a controlled explosion but ud be mad to do that now,

    • Clink9

      MOAB.

    • tom_billesley

      Firefighters and police are breaking down doors to find survivors but it sounds like a job for volunteers. Will they attempt body recovery before demolition? – probably inadvisable. Will they be able to conduct a full forensic investigation of the fire – doubtful.

  • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

    It’s beyond me why large cities don’t have inflatable mats like they use in stunts
    available to bring to fires in buildings.

    Hell, fire departments use to have things for catching people a 100 years ago when buildings were reaching over 10 stories.

    • tom_billesley

      Early this morning BBC TV news had a witness who said he’d seen airbags.
      Falling debris would have made it difficult and hazardous for rescuers and rescued.

    • Brett_McS

      A great story for the grand kids: “See that building there. Count up to the 25th level. Done? That’s how high poppy jumped from!”.

    • Clink9

      Catching someone in an old net from 10 stories would be like catching a piano.

      • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

        There are air mattresses that can be deployed that can catch someone safely from triple that height.

        Hollywood uses them for stunts in movies.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY6IMLOuaSo

        And these types of nets

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qF_fzEI4wU

        • Clink9

          I was referring to the old arm breaker nets. A 150 pound person dropping ten stories into one would have a bad day.

          • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

            better then concrete

          • Clink9

            Except this would kill or injure the rescuers. It’s why they’re not used anymore.

  • Manual Paleologos

    There is a chain of scandals, here. There was no sprinkler system. The corridor walls and party walls appear not to have been fire rated. In the US, 1 hour minimum fire rating is required. The floors appear not to have been fire rated. The exterior cladding was highly inflammable. The place was fully involved in what, 15 minutes? They were living in a Roman Candle.

    Someone needs to be hanged drawn and quartered.

  • simus1

    Drager Co. has tried marketing personal protection breathing equipment meant for high rise dwellers from time to time with minimal results.
    If this building has a wet sprinkler system it was probably subject to constant vandalism.
    The mention of gas utility lines throughout the building also brings up the hint of a fire/explosion caused by a reckless attempt to steal gas from a live system.
    It will be sorted out eventually in form, if not in substance, like all government owned messes.

  • I’d read of a woman lowering her baby to a man from the ninth or tenth floor.

    Oh, dear …