Conrad Black: I put this as simply as possible: Many atheists are excellent, but atheism itself is hurting the West

I have had as much as I can take for a while of the belligerent atheists who come crackling through the Internet assuming the airs of prosecutors, declaring ex cathedra that any suggestion of the existence of a supernatural force or that anything is not explicable by applied human ingenuity is medieval superstition. They have a trite little formula that they don’t have to prove the existence of anything and so have the high ground in any argument and then lapse into Hitchensesque infantilistic mockery about pink-winged little men in the clouds. They are repetitive and obnoxious and their fervour betrays the vacuity of their position. I am declaring a moratorium for at least a few months on trying to reason with these self-exalted champions of reason.

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  • deplorabledave

    Now there’s some good stuff. Too bad the cowards don’t have comments.

  • Martin B

    Some good points made here, but this is unadulterated horseshit:

    “The Islamic militants despise the West not because of the faith at its origins, but because it perceives the West now as a society without any spiritual views or values at all”

    Is Conrad vaguely aware that dozens of Coptic Christians were slaughtered in their churches today, on Palm Sunday, precisely because they were Christians? That Islamic State has been busy committing genocide against Iraqi & Syrian Christians for the same reason? That Mohammed himself slaughtered and drove out every last Christian from the Arabian Peninsula, and filled his Koran & hadith with psychopathic hatred of Christianity?

    The implication here, that jihadis would love us if only we were more Christian, is brainless wishful thinking.

    Now that Conrad has scolded atheists, I wish he’d do the same for the dhimmi in the Vatican.

    • JPfromtheeast

      You completely miss what he is saying. His thesis is that there is no longer a moral core to the west and that this weakness is the clarion call to Islam to attack. Attack when we are divided and scattered morally and righteously.

      Islam has only ever made aggressive strides at the world when it saw weakness and has always backed way off when it encounters serious resistance.

      Christian nations – the West – have accepted with little to no fanfare or even conflict, every single religion of the world. The only one that has caused issues for EVERYONE is Islam.

      Here… Let me break it down for you in the simplest of terms… Given the choice of what religion of people that were about to move into your nation, which would you prefer the least? Now ask yourself, if you are atheist, why you attack and diminish those that are the most tolerable?

      • Martin B

        Yes, Islam has always attacked whenever it saw weakness. I would say that the spectacle of the Pope kissing the feet of Muslim invaders – pardon me, “migrants” – after urging the West to throw its gates open even wider for more of them, is a sign of weakness and a clarion call to attack if ever there was one. Far too many Christians, not just atheists, are far too tolerant and welcoming of Islam.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00c0017d8e9b7a73a660d2255451bfb10e76243b16c96e98e83d70d44fc17ea6.jpg

      • Alain

        I suggest that another dire result of the lack of a moral code is the refusal to recognise the enemy and to defend our borders.

  • Millie_Woods

    From my own experience moderately religious people are pleasant to be around and are quite tolerant of atheists while almost every atheist I’ve encountered hold religious people in utter disdain. I’ve had some people look at me with dismay and say, ‘you go to church?’. I’m a bit ashamed to say I don’t volunteer that information anyore

    • A Hamilton Guy

      Arguing with an atheist, is like wrestling with a pig! You both get dirty; and the pig loves it.

    • JPfromtheeast

      You are not at all wrong. Those that are nice atheists, I would be quicker to consider them agnostic. Most of the most militant atheists in the public have always come across as terribly angry and unhappy people. I feel sad for them.

  • Ou8

    Religion abhors a vacuum.

  • Jim ….

    “Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.” C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)

    • Brett_McS

      Although I admire C.S.Lewis, I think that is an incorrect statement. Christianity has been extremely important, whether or not it turns out to have been false.

  • Backa Bock

    Being obnoxious is not the domain of atheism. Conrad Black stands before us as a criminal righteous hypocrite. It is his domain.

    For every annoying atheist, there is an equally annoying religious zealot. Being obnoxious is not correlated with religious belief.

    • Carlos_Perera

      While it is true that one can find obnoxious Christians as well as obnoxious atheists, in recent times when the latter runs societies their obnoxiousness quickly escalates to murderous tyranny. Read _The Gulag Archipelago_ and _The Black Book of Communism_ for starters.

      • (slow clap)

      • Backa Bock

        I think it’s more related to st*pid people. If you are useless and religious you at least have something that keeps you in line. That is missing for atheists. But I try to avoid useless people regardless.

        Look at utilitarian philosophers. They are vacuous minds parading as intellectuals.

  • ismiselemeas

    My thesis is that morally righteous and good behaviour exists independently of religion and does not need a religious environment in which to be created. Conrad Black is merely trying to justify his Catholicism by attacking, ad hominem, atheists and laying the blame of western stultification at their feet. My reaction to this piece was a simple eye roll and a whatever.

    • Carlos_Perera

      We have run the experiment as to whether ” . . . morally righteous and good behavior exists independently of religion and does not need a religious environment in which to be created.” It was/is called _Communism_, an officially atheistic and militantly anti-religious ideology (e.g., Marx’s dictum, in the _Communist Manifesto_, that, “Religion is the opium of the masses.”) Starting in 1917, and continuing through the present, it has ruled hundreds of millions of people, and been everywhere characterized by its suffocation of freedom, terrorism, mass incarceration in slave-labor camps, and murder on an industrial scale (per the _Black Book of Communism_, its 20th century death toll ran to about 100 million).

      Tell me again that atheism is compatible with morally righteous and good behavior; those nice, decent atheists you allude to generally have had their consciences formed in Christian societies, whose mores they had internalized, by sociocultural osmosis, if you will. When atheism becomes the guiding light of a society, it displaces the Christian mores that made the decent atheists decent. What you wind up with are Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho-Chi-Minh, Xoxha, the Castro and Kim dynasties, etc.

    • Re-read his column. He makes it very clear that militant atheists are argumentative and trollish, not to mention bereft of counterpoints for their ideology.

  • Brett_McS

    As the military say, an imperfect plan is better than no plan. Perhaps religion is an imperfect plan, but atheism is no plan.

  • I love how the militant atheists responding to Conrad Black are just confirming what he said.

    • Carlos_Perera

      They’re close cousins of Leftist “protesters” who react to the accusation that they are violent by rioting, assaulting their opponents, committing arson, and destroying others’ property. (And that’s only to warm up.)

      • They are the armchair critics. They don’t have the guts to break a window.

    • Alain

      You can always count on them for that.

      • It’s like their arrogance demands satisfaction and an audience.

  • CoolTolerance

    You can’t reason with them. They blow up in anger. I tried.
    They are also COWARDS. Their life’s mission is Christian-bashing.
    They screech at the sight of a tiny cross but cower in silence when hijabs are allowed.
    Atheists are our worst enemies.

  • Barrington Minge

    Oh please! I am an atheist and proud to be so. As such I do not adhere to or follow any religion. Note that atheism per se is not a religion. Having said that, neither do I mock anybody elses religion be it Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Islam or any other. What you believe is entirely up to you in exactly the same way that what I choose Not to believe is entirely my business…… I also resent the implication that because i don’t follow your religion I must be a mad, bad, screaming hypocrite. I’m not. Neither am I a coward as is suggested below.