Dead criminal’s family complains victim’s AR-15 made the fight unfair

In case you haven’t already heard, a 23-year-old man from Broken Arrow, Oklahoma made headlines this week when he shot and killed three teenage home invaders. The three teens had robbed the garage earlier that day, then returned to try the main house. They awoke Zach Peters, the homeowner’s son, who grabbed his AR-15 and defended himself against 3 armed and masked intruders. Max Cook, 19; Jacob Redfearn, 17; and Jake Woodruff, 16, were shot and killed. Cook’s 21-year-old girlfriend, get-away driver, and “robbery mastermind” Elizabeth Rodriguez was arrested and charged with three counts of both first degree murder and burglary. Her murder charges come from the felony murder rule which charges anyone involved in a felony with murder if a death occurs during or due to the felonious act.

Now the family of one of the deceased criminals is complaining. They don’t believe it was fair that Peters was allowed to defend himself with an AR-15 when the criminals were only armed with knives and brass knuckles.

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  • Carlo

    They won’t do that again

  • KillerMarmot

    If you find yourself in a fair fight then you’re doing it wrong.

  • Art Deco

    The murder charges contra the two women actually are humbug (even if they are humbug permissible under Oklahoma law).

    • tom_billesley

      I beg to differ. Certainly Rodriguez was a prime mover in the crime.

      Rodriguez planned a burglary of the home and dropped off Cook, Redfearn and Woodruff to carry it out while she waited in her vehicle. The teenagers, wearing black clothing, gloves and masks, broke a glass door to get into the house.
      One of them [the home invaders] made his way back outside and apparently tried to get back into Rodriguez’s vehicle, but deputies think she fled at that point and left him in the driveway.
      According to a probable cause affidavit, Rodriguez appeared to have previous knowledge of the house and knew the homeowner by name. She waived her right to an attorney and reportedly told investigators on Wednesday that she did not know Peters but was aware of his father, who owned the house where he lived.
      Rodriguez also said she knew that the Peters family had money and expensive belongings, which led her to select their home to burglarize, [Wagoner County Sheriff’s Office spokesman] Mahoney said.

      http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crimewatch/friends-in-disbelief-over-deaths-of-three-teens-during-home/article_d5cab1a8-bbe2-5732-aef9-4ad58408e7a0.html

      • Art Deco

        I certainly do not doubt she was a participant in a robbery and burglary and merits a charge for that. I’m referring specifically to the homcide charge against her. The five of them committed no homicides. The homicide charge may be permissible under Oklahoma law, which is regrettable.

        • tom_billesley

          That’s up to the folks in Oklahoma.

        • V10_Rob

          She (apparently) masterminded the crime, cajoling them into a course of action that directly led to their deaths. How they died is largely irrelevant to the charges against her.

        • tomswift

          I agree it’s a bit too harsh. It’ll probably get plea bargained away. Just charge her with the robbery. Charging her with homicide is unfair since the criminals own actions led to their deaths. But perhaps I’m too liberal (never thought I’d say that)

          • Tim Naber

            Murder charges are added if the suspect is arrested for breaking a federal crime which lead to the death of someone because of the crime.

        • Tim Naber

          In Oklahoma if you commit a federal crime and some one is killed as a result of the crime, murder is added to your charges

  • glasnost

    In Canaduh they’d call it a disproportional response and charge the homeowner.

    • Oracle9

      I suppose the victim and the invaders would have to sit down and have a conference first to decide what is ‘proportional’. Kind of stacks the deck for the invaders, typical liberal idea.

  • Art Deco

    The complainer is the grandfather of one of the perpetrators, not the whole family.

    • Millie_Woods

      Shoot him too.

  • Martin B

    16, 17 and 19. Imagine how much of a burden these criminal parasites would have been over their lifetimes if they hadn’t been blown away.

    • BillyHW

      The shooter is a hero.

      • tom_billesley

        The least he should get is a free reload.

  • David Murrell

    The reason why there has not been a huge outcry is because the three dead home invaders were white. Had they been black, it would have made for big demos and wall-to-wall coverage by CNN News.

    • UCSPanther

      From what I have seen, dindu nuffins come in all races.

    • k1962

      One looks blackish to me.

    • Tim Naber

      I think one of them was black from the picture of the third one on the right?

  • UCSPanther

    Three dindu nuffins try a home invasion robbery, get rubbed out when the homeowner fights back.

    They made their choice, and now they can live the consequences for all eternity.

  • jayme

    A true gentleman would have challenged them to arm wrestling matches. Or perhaps a duel with pistols at dawn.

    • mauser 98

      feelings , safe room , pet therapy

    • k1962

      Yes, because 3 agains one would be fair. 3 against one with a gun, now that’s fair.

      • Tim Naber

        Three criminals with knives and brass knuckles against one

  • BillyHW

    Charge the mother too for spawning that piece of shit and not raising him right.

  • mauser 98

    elderly man wrestles gun from 3 break in thugs , shoots one in leg
    ..natch…. elderly man gets charged
    …RCMP at its finest

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/01/13/defending-self-defence

    • BillyHW

      Our cops have turned into royal assholes.

      • tom_billesley

        The Queen should withdraw the royal warrant so they’re ordinary assholes.

      • Art Deco

        Not sure how your system works. In this country, the salient decision would be made by the district attorney or a lawyer on his staff (who very commonly is a a jackwagon).

  • bargogx1

    Why yes, of course he should have given them a fair shot at stabbing him, beating the crap out of him, and stealing everything he owns. What was he thinking! How dare he!

  • BillyHW

    Can’t wait for the two cunts to spend the rest of their lives in jail for murder. It was probably their insatiable desire for shiny stuff that caused all this.

    • tom_billesley

      Somehow, I doubt if it’s the first time this crew have done this.

  • AlanUK

    Ah, diddums.

  • DaninVan

    Re ‘Art Deco’s’ comment; so, if the three teens doing the home invasion/robbery had killed the homeowner’s son, then charging the get-away driver with murder also wouldn’t be fair either?
    The principle’s really simple. You do the crime you do the ‘time’ however badly it turns out. The time to think about the potential consequences is BEFORE.

    The fact is, teenagers do really stupid shit and it’s the parents job to protect them AND SOCIETY until they STOP doing stupid shit. Another really good reason for compulsory National Service.

    • Art Deco

      Re ‘Art Deco’s’ comment; so, if the three teens doing the home
      invasion/robbery had killed the homeowner’s son, then charging the
      get-away driver with murder also wouldn’t be fair either?

      No. That’s not my point. Whether the law regards her as a perpetrator, a conspirator, or an accessory, she’s a participant in a robbery. Felony murder is a homicide which occurs in the course of one of a menu of crimes (without regard to premeditation), robbery most salient among them. None of the perpetrators / conspirators / accessories killed anyone. Three of them were themselves killed. Whether that’s just or not, it’s not an act on their part.

      Now, the salient provision in the Penal Law of New York is as follows:

      3. Acting either alone or with one or more other persons, he commits

      or attempts to commit robbery, burglary, kidnapping, arson, rape in the
      first degree, criminal sexual act in the first degree, sexual abuse in
      the first degree, aggravated sexual abuse, escape in the first degree,
      or escape in the second degree, and, in the course of and in furtherance
      of such crime or of immediate flight therefrom, he, or another
      participant, if there be any, causes the death of a person other than
      one of the participants; except that in any prosecution under this
      subdivision, in which the defendant was not the only participant in the
      underlying crime, it is an affirmative defense that the defendant:
      (a) Did not commit the homicidal act or in any way solicit, request,
      command, importune, cause or aid the commission thereof; and
      (b) Was not armed with a deadly weapon, or any instrument, article or
      substance readily capable of causing death or serious physical injury
      and of a sort not ordinarily carried in public places by law-abiding
      persons; and
      (c) Had no reasonable ground to believe that any other participant was
      armed with such a weapon, instrument, article or substance; and
      (d) Had no reasonable ground to believe that any other participant
      intended to engage in conduct likely to result in death or serious
      physical injury; or

      I believe the phrases “in the course of and in furtherance of such crime or of immediate flight therefrom, he, or another
      participant, if there be any, causes the death of a person other than one of the participants” would preclude a murder charge of the women outside. I believe that is a more sensible assessment of responsibility.

      • tom_billesley

        It was their choice to do the deed in Oklahoma, not New York.

      • Tim Naber

        In Oklahoma murder charges are added to federal crimes if the crime lead to any life being taken do to the crime

  • Raymond Hietapakka

    What fools. I have an old pal who lives in Broken Arrow. He’s armed to the teeth. All of my American friends are.

    • tom_billesley
      • Art Deco

        That’s not salient here. “Stand Your Ground” refers to confrontations in settings at large. Confrontations in the home are covered by ‘Castle Doctrine”. There are states which do not have “Stand Your Ground” but do have “Castle Doctrine” and grant wide latitude to homeowners to defend their property.

        • tom_billesley

          The link I gave is to this, which seems pertinent.
          Oklahoma Statutes
          Title 21. Crimes and Punishments
          Chapter 53 – Manufacture, Sale, and Wearing of Weapons
          Oklahoma Firearms Act of 1971
          Section 1289.25 – Physical or Deadly Force Against Intruder
          http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?citeid=69782

          A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes or places of business

          B. A person or an owner, manager or employee of a business is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
          1. The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or a place of business, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against the will of that person from the dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or place of business; and
          2. The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
          .
          etc.

  • lgeubank

    The AR-15 made the fight unfair? That’s what it’s supposed to do.

    “Never give a &ucker an even break.”

  • tom_billesley

    Owasso — A candlelight vigil for three teenagers who were fatally shot during a break-in at a Wagoner County home earlier this week was interrupted by reports of a gun at the gathering.
    The vigil had been going on about an hour when the attendees, mostly teenagers themselves, began screaming and running from the pavilion where people were congregated after an attendee began shouting about a gun.
    Owasso police said they’d searched the park and adjacent neighborhoods and hadn’t found any evidence of shots being fired, Lt. Nick Boatman said. They also didn’t find a weapon.
    “Something happened that caused the inner-most group of people to think there was a gun, or someone reported seeing a gun, and it freaked everybody out and everybody scattered in different directions,” Boatman said.
    Some people were treated for minor injuries — such as hyperventilation — at the scene, he said.
    http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/owasso-vigil-for-three-teens-killed-during-home-invasion-ends/article_bff97926-46c5-58c6-a944-d441fa0a0196.html

    • V10_Rob

      A vigil for a gang of petty thugs… It would not surprise me at all if some normal and sane person, hmm, “deliberately misspoke.” so as to stampede these cattle.

  • fedupwithinsanity

    They look like smug losers. Actions do have consequences.

  • vwVwwVwv

    take out the family

  • Exile1981

    What isn’t fair is that the poor 23 year old had too kill three wastes of space criminals. If the parents had raised their spawn with a respect for law and order rather than a belief in their being owed by society they would still be alive. Beside the criminals attacked 3 against 1.

  • Tooth&Claw

    Life isn’t fair. It’s especially unfair for low IQ criminals without the brains to see the potential consequences of their chosen course of action. Sucks to be grandpa to know your family line has morons in it.

    • tom_billesley

      Darwin Award to all three.

      • milesfortis

        Gramps got a generationally delayed Darwin award.
        His genes? Dead genes.

  • Gary

    Reminds me of the cases where punks were stealing the Air-bags from expensive car to sell them to body shops . The screwdriver they used ended up killing them when the bag was triggered by a small static Charge as they held it on the surface during removal and BOOOM…the bag deployed an made the screwdriver a spear in the face .
    The youth advocates wanted a safer Air-bag that didn’t deploy while trying to remove it by a screwdriver .

    How about telling the youth to stop stealing Air Bags .

    They have since be redesigned for many cars and harder to pry off .

  • Dana Garcia

    Any BS to distract from the crap parenting. It’s a dangerous world out there, and kiddies with immature brains need warning.

    “Hey, kids — don’t break into anybody’s house, mostly because it’s wrong, but also because you might get shot dead, particularly in Oklahoma. Or Texas or numerous other states where armed self-defense is popular and legal.”

  • Daniel Armstrong

    Would fixing a bayonet onto the rifle make it more, or less fare?

  • doowleb

    Canada has a somewhat similar law. If you are the getaway car driver and your accomplices shot a police office while robbing someone, the driver is also charged with first degree murder.

  • Tim Naber

    Romans 6:23 King James Version

    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.