Clarion Project tries to show that Islamic reform is possible, instead only shows how easy it is to be fooled

The Clarion Project, of which moderate Muslim Zuhdi Jasser is an advisory board member, has rushed to his aid in our recent controversy, claiming to demonstrate in this piece that reform of Islam is not only possible, but happening now in all sorts of ways I am not acknowledging. Now, I have never said Islamic reform is not possible, but this Clarion article unfortunately only confirms several points I have made many times before: that much of what is touted as reform of Islam is really nothing of the kind, as the central doctrines of Islam are left untouched; and also that much of what is touted as reform of Islam is actually cynical deception designed to keep Infidels complacent. Both are on abundant display in this Clarion piece.


Pity, the Clarion project has done good work but this broadside by Jasser was unwarranted and their motives are now suspect.

Islam can be reformed, it’s just unlikely that it will be to any noteworthy extent as significant change would entail its complete upending. Currently the Muslim faithful, not jihadists, are prone to violently riot and commit murder over “blasphemy” and other trivialities, there is no way anyone is going to turn that ship around in a hurry.

To my view no reformist has yet demonstrated that they are capable of commanding sizable support within the Muslim community, they tend to find their acceptance within the infidel “anti-jihad” movement or among politicians, the media and the liberal-left who occasionally elevate some token such as Malala to be the standard bearer of their wish-dream version of Islam.

Which makes this attack all the more perplexing. When it comes to Islamists watch what they do, and what they say.

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  • bob e

    i get Clarion in my email too. If they are listening to Rooty Tooty
    they are wasting their time. Changing Islam is never gonna happen.
    Somebody gonna’ write a new abridged version of de’ Koran .. ??

    • Sure and then get their head chopped off. Look at how the Ahmadi are treated.

      • bob e

        exactly boss.. no hope for any compromise ..

      • tom_billesley

        Sunni-Shia ecumenism is going so well too.

    • Etobicoke_Gladiator

      Check out the fate of this Muslim reformer (or “dissident clergyman” as the article phrases it) from Iran:

      https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10027/iran-ayatollah-boroujerdi

  • I will say this: I do not know if Islam can be reformed or not. That said, if the opportunity cannot present itself due to censorship laws (ie – Motion 103), we can not know for sure.

    • Etobicoke_Gladiator

      Islam cannot be reformed because the Koran and Hadith can never be changed. That, my friend, is basically the beginning and the end of the conversation as I understand it.

      Frankly, any Muslim (or non-Muslim) who supports authentic reform and/or a revision of traditional Muslim sources is marginalized at best and excommunicated and/or has their life threatened (or they’re killed) at worst.

      • tom_billesley

        Takfir!

      • That seems a potential stumbling block!

      • All I’m saying is that people will not know for certain until the opportunity presents itself.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    Here’s how I see it:
    If Islam were capable of reform, and enough Muslims saw the need for reformation, it would have reformed itself long ago.
    Because of the cult of Mohammad, reform is impossible.
    Because it’s just not a religion but an entire self-referencing plan for existence that just can’t be substantively altered without scraping huge chunks of Islam as it’s currently known.
    In other words, it ain’t gunna happen.

    • tom_billesley

      Islam “with a human face”? Alexander Dubček tried that approach with another authoritarian collectivist political entity.
      How many “reformed communist” governments emerged?

  • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

    Clarion and Raheel Raza are a Trojan horse designed to make us focus
    on the Jihadists while the “Moderates” pop out babies and gain political power.

    Who do you see pushing the “Wear a Hijab for a day” type of bullshit…

    Moderates

    Who do you see pushing the Muslims are the victims lie….

    Moderates

    Who are pushing M-103….

    Moderates.

    • Etobicoke_Gladiator

      The difference between moderates and extremists, or Muslims and Islamists is rather blurry, ain’t it?

      • caliroxanne

        The only difference is in the tactics they use, hence my avatar. When it comes to marketing and public relations, Muslims are the best. Their brilliance in terms of manipulation can’t be topped. They use the good cop/bad cop routine quite cleverly, as in this case, where they use Clarion and that super-slick fraud, Mohamed Zuhdi Jasser, to manipulate the non-Muslim world into believing that Islam is a religion of peace. Behind the scenes, however, the good cop and bad cop Muslims come together and laugh at us for being so stupid for falling for this nonsense.

        • Etobicoke_Gladiator

          Since I now know your opinion of Jasser, what do you think about Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Tarek Fatah? I have had some doubts about them, too.

          • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

            Ali is an EX Muslim who had her clitoris hacked off. she’s on our side.

            Tarek Fatah is a Muslim who plays the smiling little harmless fellow
            who claims he’s under threat from Jihadists, yet he manages
            to travel India and Pakistan unhindered.

            He also does shows in Urdu that sometimes appear online with English subtitles. He’s not actually fighting “radical islam”, he’s just fighting the typical tribal bullshit war third worlder’s tend to do.,

            He’s also shown his true colours on Sun News when people on their managed to piss him off and he goes off on an anti-white rant..

          • Etobicoke_Gladiator

            I figured as much about Ayaan. Consider that a “control” question. However, I more or less believe Tarek is on our side, and think he got into genuine trouble on his very recent visit to India (and Pakistan?)…

          • lolwut? (Deplorable Hoser)

            Nope, he goes there all the time without security.

            99% of Tarek’s time is spent fighting tribal battles in Urdu.
            the crap you see in English is just bullshit he does to play
            the friendly moderate.

            He worships the same pedophile warlord the Jihadists do.

            If Jesus was a pedophile and a warlord, would you read the bible
            and go to church?

          • Etobicoke_Gladiator

            100% nope.

          • caliroxanne

            Since Mo Jasser is all over the place and paraded around nonstop, I am all too familiar with him and his tactics. I know about Ayaan, but not enough to formulate an opinion. I am skeptical of Mr. Fatah, but again, not as familiar with him as I am with Jasser. Anyone who pushes the lie of the moderate Islamic reform movement, in my opinion, is dangerous. They say what we want to hear, but just because we want something to be true doesn’t make it so. I appreciate honesty, and garbage like Anjem Choudry, while a terrible guy, is at least honest when it comes to Islam. Fatah and the others who try to trick us into believing that there really is this moderate, tolerant and peaceful Islam are are being intentionally deceptive, delusional or a bit of both. Generally speaking, those who leave Islam and convert to Christianity tend to be more honest.

            What are your thoughts on Jasser, Ayaan, and Tarek?

          • Etobicoke_Gladiator

            I know much more about Ayaan and Tarek, and admire each for their own qualities and think they’re genuine, and I’m fairly conservative and I like to imagine rigorous in my research.

            Like you, however, I’m very skeptical and my antennae go up when hearing Muslims – especially in organizations and/or on the media – discussing the possibility or a ‘reform Islam’ as I believe that’s impossible. Ayaan has discussed “reform” on occasion, and I’m not sure about Tarek but I suppose if they never try it then who will, members of ISIS?