Shorter Kathleen Wynne: I took a 2nd mortgage on your house to pay back the money I stole from you

Generations will pay for Liberals’ hydro blunders

Trusting Premier Kathleen Wynne and the Liberals to fix the hydro mess they’ve created is like trusting rabbits to guard the lettuce patch.

It requires an unshakeable belief, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, that the same people who caused today’s runaway electricity prices know how to fix them.

And that the Liberals will keep their promise to lower hydro rates if they win next year’s election, the same party which came to power under Dalton McGuinty in 2003 solemnly promising not to raise our taxes.

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  • Reader

    Blunders? They were central features of the Liberal government’s Green Energy Act.

    • H

      It was (and is) I’m guessing a mixture of stupidity and corruption. They may not have anticipated how ruinously expensive and inefficient some of their “green” initiatives would be, and didn’t bother to really educated themselves on this. Nor did they care: it was (and still is) push the progressive at all costs. Of course, if Libs and their supporters happened to get rich in the process of doing the “ethical” thing, then so be it. We all have to do our part for the environment, right?

      • WalterBannon

        call it whatever you want, but criminal law calls it malfeasance

        unfortunately the liberals are above the law in this land of no justice

        • Exile1981

          Actually from what i’ve read on the contracts I would bet their was bribes or kick backs involved. That would make it corruption not malfeasance…. the jail time is longer.

  • The Phantom

    “…the same people who caused today’s runaway electricity prices know how to fix them.”

    They do know how. Pay the existing windmill generators the same money they pay all other generators. Stop building new windmills. Build coal and nuclear.

    Everybody knows, it isn’t some arcane secret. The thing is, they won’t -do- it. They’re Liberals. They do what’s best for them, and to hell with you.

    Still, I expect the Eco-gravy train will derail soon, as the reality of $800 a month hydro bills hits the GTA. Amazing what a little pain will do to sort out fuzzy thinking, isn’t it?

  • Jaedo Drax

    Even if you repeal the Green Energy Act, the poison pill is already in all of the existing contracts that requires the green energy to be bought first, over things like baseload power in the form of Hydro and Nuclear.

    Until the government does something about that, there is no real way to effectively deal with the mess that the liberals made.

    • moraywatson

      Tear up the contracts. That is the government’s prerogative.

      • Exile1981

        Yes and No,

        1st off as the Alberta NDP found out when they tried to do it, that companies can and will sue over breach of contract. Secondly breach of contract has a tendency to massively effect things like bond ratings and the ability of governments to make future deals.

        The only way to successfully get out of the contracts would be to prove they were inside deals ad that the people who made them on the governments behalf did so in bad faith ie they received bribes or did it because of relationships with the green companies. If you could prove that in a court of law then you could get out of the contracts and force the companies to repay the money the received that was in excess of the going rate. You would also have to arrest the politicians who made the deals.

        • moraywatson

          You enter into contracts with the government at your own peril. The government cannot be compelled to continue undertakings that are detrimental to its votaries. The government always has the imperative to pass, amend or terminate legislation. Cancel the Green Energy Act. Pass legislation granting municipalities the right to tax wind turbines at industrial rates. Pay the cancellation fees for contracts that have not yet put shovels in the ground. Enforce environmental laws and impose fines for bird/bat mortalities. Pay wind turbine operators only for power required by the grid at market rates without preference over base load suppliers. This nightmare would come tumbling down within months.

          • Exile1981

            Your confusing contracts and laws.

            Yes they could cancel the green energy act and no one can complain. Any wind power company that has a CONTRACT can not arbitrarily have cancelled. Look at the NDP trying to cancel the coal contracts for power, they had to pay the opt out penalty. Yes, a government that has a contract that is a bad deal can be forced to continue with it – it’s called the rule of law. Though if the contract was done illegally or done in a manner that violates law then yes it can and should be voided on that basis not just because it’s a bad deal.

            Yes you could allow municipalities the right to tax wind turbines as industrial property – unless the contracts specifically specify tax rates.

            Yes if a project is not yet started you could pay the opt out amount.

            Yes you could enforce environmental laws.

            “Pay wind turbine operators only for power required by the grid at market rates without preference over base load suppliers.” – This is the way it should be, power paid at the spot rate at the time it is supplied into the grid. No difference between type of source. Unfortunately the Ontario government signed a contract with several wind companies that says the grid will take the power anytime they make it and at a rate that is higher than peak supply rates even if it’s low demand time. It’s a horrible set of contracts but Ontario is stuck with it unless those contract can be found to be inside deals (see my original post)

          • moraywatson
          • Exile1981

            They are confusing the precident which referred to a policy with a contract.

            In the case of policy, yes if the gov’t please it can change them at any time.

            In the case of contracts, no they are legally binding a gov’t can’t change them unilaterly. There are numerous precidents of that.

            Look at Alberta’s NDP they tried to arbitrarily tewrite the Power Purchade agreements Now because of that the tax payers are on the hook for 60million a day in costs.
            The correct way to have done it would have been to annouce they would not renew those contracts as they came up.

          • moraywatson

            You are talking through your hat.

        • Bataviawillem

          I like where you’re going.

  • Clausewitz

    Saving us money by having us pay more in long term interest payments. Liberal logic at it’s finest. God save us from these fools.

    • moraywatson

      We need to be saved from those who vote for them. Just as in Wisconsin, we need to defang public sector unions, and you do that by stopping the withholding of union dues at source and making union membership optional. Only if the circle of government/union cronyism is stopped, do we have a real chance to be saved.

      • Bataviawillem

        Or, back to the system that only nett taxpayers can vote, it worked in England of centuries.
        Just to make it clear, a teacher or a cop ar not nett taxpayers.

        • moraywatson

          Those who pay the piper call the tune.

          • Bataviawillem

            You pay, you say.

  • LauraS

    Costing Ontarians billions…AGAIN!…and yet, they’ll get re-elected by the unions, those on government handouts, and low-information voters. Because conservatives are scary or something. Ugh.

    • Precisely.

      I suspect that Wynne will be re-elected because Ontarians are drawn to failure and collapse.

    • Bataviawillem

      Conservatives have no one to vote for.

  • Ron MacDonald

    More like a 4th mortgage.