Smudging in public schools: Reconciliation or religious act?

The question of whether smudging should be allowed in public schools is one that arose in Canada in 2016, even becoming the subject of a B.C. court case.

Oh I bet they’ll be slaughtering sheep and goats halal style soon enough.

  • Dana Garcia

    And I thought “smudging” meant to smear something.

    This is such an educational blog, particularly about diverse subjects!

  • tom_billesley

    If they don’t disable the smoke alarms and sprinkler system, it could get interesting.

    • Only if they smudge in the teacher’s lounge.

      • tom_billesley

        Would that cleanse it of progressivism?

    • Justin St.Denis

      Burning sweet grass smells like pot. I once had an aboriginal staffer who showed up a half hour early every day to “purify” her office with it. This was AFTER draconian no-smoking policies prevailed everywhere. I took her aside and explained that this ritual was not acceptable on company premises, that other employees were complaining about the odours, and that one employee had an actual allergy to sweet grass. She still didn’t stop. It took my a year, but I finally fired her for cause with the support of a native lawyer from the Midland area.

      • Dana Garcia

        One wonders what sort of impure activities occurred in the office that needed to be smudged out…

        • Justin St.Denis

          Well, that was the “cause” for which I got to fire her in the end. I only ever permitted business activities on company premises.

    • mobuyus

      I worked in the same building in Ottawa housing the AFN and I can tell you that sage and sweetgrass do not mask the smell of pot. Though they had building management either fooled or scared.

  • mauser 98
    • His brain was smudged out.

    • ntt1

      he looks cleansed alright

  • Nope.

    If one can’t sing Christmas carols, one can smudge crap on one’s face.

    • Justin St.Denis

      Ditto “Muslim prayer rooms” btw.

      • Have those rooms but use them for simultaneous yoga classes…

        for – ahem – rotund people.

  • Justin St.Denis

    “Smudging” is a part of aboriginal spirituality (albeit tailored – if not outright invented – by Jesuit missionaries). As such, it is unacceptable in a public school, as is burning sweet grass, another “religious” native affectation likely cooked up by the Jesuits way back when.

    • Damn them Jesuits!

      • Justin St.Denis

        Hard to do these days. The Jesuits finally took the Vatican. Pope Evita is a Jesuit.

        • tom_billesley

          Two black popes?

        • The Jesuits brought Christianity to Asia.

          That is where one is seeing a resurgence of the Church.

          • Justin St.Denis

            The Jesuits perhaps played a role but did not bring Christianity to Asia any more than did Anglican missionaries or missionaries of a dozen othe denominations. The Jesuits go wherever their search for power takes them. Remember that the Jesuit Order was kicked out of the RC Church and only readmitted about a century later (mid-19th Century).

            I studied under Jesuits at University both in Montreal and Chicago. Indeed, I was a “living poster” for Jesuit academic excellence. During that time, I regularly attended parties hosted by Jesuit professors and their mistresses in downtown condos they somehow had magically acquired.

            Osumashi, I know you are a Christian. So am I. But I strongly urge you to research the history of the Jesuits. You will learn many things that you were taught to ignore in the process. God bless you, Osumashi…….

          • I cannot speak to your bad experiences but the Jesuits as founded by Saint Ignatius were determined to spread the Faith – as they did in seventeenth century Japan – and were more a victim of rival politics than internal problems.

            Happy New Year.

          • Justin St.Denis

            Osumashi, I cannot argue your point except to note that any foreigners who disputed the divinity of the Japanese Emperor and his family were in for tough times in Japan well into the 20th Century. My Japanese-American wife would take you on since she has several degrees in Japanese history and cultural studies, but is limited in debating same in languages other than Japanese. Witnessing this (presuming you can speak Japanese) would bore the daylights out of other commentators here. My own Japanese language skills are limited to food and bedroom chat. We’ve been married for over 35 years! 😉

            Happy New Year to you and yours from me and mine. May God bless and keep you safe and happy throughout the coming year.

          • Heh.

            Happy New Year to yourself and family.

    • tom_billesley

      That’s censered.

  • tom_billesley

    I have a cultural need to smudge my environment with the smell of fried bacon.

  • Gary

    So what happens when a Native wants to burn tobacco that is wrapped in paper
    which we call a Cigarette but they call it Smudging.

  • Exile1981

    Personally I find the smell of smudging really hard on my eyes and one of our other church members has asthma set off by smudging. I think this is why our local church membership dropped 80% this last year. We had one member who decided the best way to grow our church membership was to start offering free sandwiches to native drunks and burning sweatgrass to hie the smell of the urine puddles they kept leaving on pews.

    • ntt1

      sounds like an anglican communion.

      • Exile1981

        It was an anglican church till they drove 80% of the members away. Christmas 2015 we have 80 people at service (mostly families with kids), this year they had 4 members(all childless) plus 5 drunks who showed up for the sandwiches.

        Yup those 4 NDP supporters killed the local church.

        • ntt1

          exactly what happened to my ex church, the beginning of the end was the beamy blue rinsed female forced on us by the New West Diocese, we went from 125 down to 5 people over 4 years most of the attendees are now drug addicts staying in the old rectory.

          • Exile1981

            Our minster is great, it’s the couple of NDP parish members who drove everyone else away.

  • ntt1

    forcing smudging ceremonies into the mainstream is part of normalizing a very limited regional activity and create a false pan indian culture that never existed like the turtle island myth. or sweet grass which is unavailable naturally in most of Canada.

    • Alain

      Indeed, the same as those Hollywood war bonnets.

      • ntt1

        Hah, test pattern indians like derek nepinek