Police in Oklahoma shoot dead unarmed black man

Multiple police video clips – from the ground and helicopter – show 40-year-old Terence Crutcher walking back to his disabled vehicle with his hands in the air, followed by multiple police officers. As he approaches the driver’s door he appears to get shot first with a Taser and then a firearm.

  • The Butterfly


    1. Why did he stop his vehicle in the opposing lane, rather than pull over to the right?

    2. Why does he walk back to his vehicle when they tell him to freeze?

    3. What was he expecting to happen when he reaches into the vehicle without asking first? (Is this suicide by cop?)

  • H

    Someone seems to have had an itchy trigger finger – that looked like cold blooded murder to me. And what’s with the three of them backing slowly away? Did they think he was going to rise from the dead and come after them? Very weird.

    • Minicapt

      PCP …


  • JaedoDrax

    https://youtu.be/rmIfTEZRBko video from the air.

  • JaedoDrax

    Unfortunately, the videos don’t offer a whole lot of clarity as to what happened as they can’t see through the wall of officers.

    There is no reason to walk back to the vehicle, nor would the officer allow someone to walk back to their vehicle (too much risk).

    One of the questions that needs to be answered is did the officer who fired their weapon, do it as a sympathetic action when the taser was deployed by the other officer?

  • Blind Druid

    She panicked. She will vanish – poof!

  • Tom Forsythe

    Video is making the problem worse, not better. There are plenty of dangerous, threatening actions a person can make that don’t show up on camera. It can easily look like a person was shot “for no reason,” when in fact the officer had ample justification.

    Pictures don’t just lie, they lie very convincingly.

    • FactsWillOut

      Please list these unphotogrphable threatening actions.

      • Tom Forsythe

        Can you tell, from these videos, whether the man reached for anything? The expression on his face? Whether he was complying with police instructions? Any words he may have said? Where he was directing his eyes (a person may keep glancing toward a weapon, for example)? Can you tell if he is rational, drunk, on drugs, or otherwise impaired?

        All of these can play a role in the officer’s assessment of the level of threat posed by the individual, and are not visible on camera. In cinema, they deliberately use close-ups and exaggerate such things, so that the audience knows what’s going on. Real life video does not give anywhere near the same level of clarity.

        • FactsWillOut

          None of those things constitutes a threat.
          To threaten, on must be either armed or approaching the officer.
          Non compliance with police orders are also not grounds to shoot a man, nor is where he may be looking.
          “I thought he was going for a gun” is NOT a valid reason to shoot a man. If he goes for a gun, and you see it, or if he approaches you and gets too close when told to stop, those are threats.

          • Tom Forsythe

            Yes, “I thought he was going for a gun” IS justification for shooting a man. Read the statutes. Read the case law. You don’t get to make up the rules. There are situations where failure to comply with a lawful order (also known as obstruction of justice) COULD lead to a justifiable shooting.

            You are correct that some of the things I listed aren’t threats, in and of themselves. My point is that they are things that, taken together, could make an officer reasonably fear for their safety, or the safety of others, which is the LEGAL standard for the use of deadly force.

          • FactsWillOut

            I don’t care what the asshats say. I can’t shoot a man because “I thought he was going for a gun”, so the cops shouldn’t be able to either.
            You want a bunch of people to whom civil law doesn’t apply running about. That’s insane.

          • Tom Forsythe

            You absolutely do have the right to shoot someone if you reasonably think he is going for a gun and about to shoot you. For example, if you have an intruder in your home, and you confront him with your own gun, it is entirely legal (in Oklahoma, the state where this happened) to shoot the person if you think he is going for a weapon.

          • FactsWillOut

            It ain’t legal to shoot a thief in the back when he doesn’t obey my legal citizen’s arrest command to stop, and instead goes to get into his car.

          • Tom Forsythe

            It isn’t legal for police to do that, either. But you need to accept that police need to have authority in order for the rule of law to exist.

  • FactsWillOut

    Look at all the asswipes. Seems many folk think somebody yelling “He’s got a gun!” is grounds to shoot a man.

  • Uncommunist

    Other officers have said Robert Bates confused his stun gun and his handgun.

    • FactsWillOut

      That makes it “manslaughter”.

  • Tom Forsythe

    It is clear that those who are quick to label officers “murderers” have given little thought to the real dangers faced by police.

    • FactsWillOut

      being a cop is less dangerous than being a doorman, roofer, construction worker, logger, heavy equipment mechanic…
      If cops are so scared, they’re unfit for duty.

      • Tom Forsythe

        Not what I meant.

        My point is that your comments, like those of many others, demonstrate an ignorance as to the real threats that affect a police officer’s decision-making process. It isn’t that I am arguing their job is the most dangerous, just that the reason they make certain decisions is because of specific risks you didn’t think of.

        For example, when police shoot someone, and he falls to the ground, police critics wonder why they continue to act with caution, cuffing the suspect, or maintaining a safe distance. This is because the suspect could be pretending to be unconscious in an effort to get the officer to come close enough to take his weapon.

        There are very good reasons, based on experience, that police have the procedures they do, and before criticizing them you should learn more.

        • FactsWillOut

          If someone engages in behavior that is not threatening in a civilian setting, then the behavior doesn’t become threatening because a cop gets his panties in a wad.
          If I hail a man who has just stolen a ladies, and say “Hey, you, stop!”, and he reaches into his car, I cannot shoot him, and neither should a cop.
          “Threat” doesn’t change definition for cops.

          • Tom Forsythe

            You are far to stupid to be allowed to have opinions.

          • FactsWillOut

            Spoken like a true fascist. well done.

    • Clausewitz

      With Blacks hunting down and executing police officers of all races, I’d be a little trigger happy also.

  • FactsWillOut

    I am appalled that folk don’t think that cops should be held to the same level of accountability as civilians. Seems they want a bunch of extra-judicial keepers to keep the people in line.

  • FactsWillOut

    I feared for my safety, so I shot the cop.
    See how that goes down.

    • Tom Forsythe

      Police and civilians are not equals. Police have authority. It is essential to the rule of law.

      • FactsWillOut

        Police WORK for the civilians.
        It is WE who have authority over them.
        Unless you live in a fascist country, of course.

  • Ron MacDonald

    Police say PCP found in vehicle occupied by Terence Crutcher on Friday


    Nothing to see here, move along.

  • Maggat

    It’ll be interesting to see how this one is explained.

  • Jessiemac

    Kind of like what the Oregon state swine and the feds did to LaVoy Finicum when they ambushed him on a lonely stretch of Oregon road.

  • lolwut?

    Stories popping up that PCP was found in his car and 911 callers saying he was acting and talking strangely.


    Site breaking down the video showing he didn’t have his hands up when he was shot


  • If, during my 15 years as a police officer, I shot every person who disobeyed me, or quickly reached for their ID, or leaned on their vehicle, or acted ‘suspiciously’, or reached into their pocket to throw away a joint, or were out of control drunk or high; I couldn’t count the number of bodies.

    You can say it is all about the number of guns and violent adversarial climate in the USA, but that doesn’t explain the many similar incidents in Canada.

    Whatever the cause (and there are many factors in play – I could write for an hour), police officers have effectively become occupying soldiers who regularly transform from community friends to bullies and executioners with no steps in between – in circumstances that horrify all good people.

    The Sir Robert Peel Principles of Policing are long dead. Consider principle #7 ‘The police are the public and the public are the police’ or #6 ‘… to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.’

    The news stories are like a tsunami of unreality: Call the police to a mother/teenage daughter argument at a family BBQ and dad gets shot dead for refusing to show his hands. Car breaks down at the side of the road, unarmed driver is shot dead by a police officer who ‘stopped to assist’, disagree verbally with a minor busking ticket and end up face down on the concrete with 600lbs of officers on your back until you are dead from suffocation.

    “Good morning Sir. I have you speeding 50 in a school zone. May I see your license, ownership and insurance please?” has been replaced by the normalized aggression of “License. Stay in your car.”

    I don’t know that I have any solutions, but when I’m stopped by police it frightens me half to death. I can’t imagine what it is like for a young person of colour.

  • Gary

    The female Office is name Betty but i didn’t get the whole story for her last name. The Toronto Cops are now made up of Diversity quotas as well as the Paramedics and Ambulance crews.
    The old standards were dropped because these jobs were seen by Liberals as so easy to do that it must be racism and sexism by white males that are keeping minorities out.

    Well guess what , the mini-Cops of today still have the right to Shoot when they feel that life in in danger. But to a 5 foot 5″ male Cop they will see any criminal bigger than them as a threat where they will panic and shoot first.
    Liberals are so f’d up in the head that they are now about to send women to jail in the guise of Diversity and they become Cops and shoot first from fear.

    The paramedics and police in Toronto now have a crisis for LTD claims by females with PTSD which I blame on the fraudulent recruitment Posters with happy women making close to $90,000.00 a year as Cops at a traffic accident or helping a child across the street. The paramedic were lied to as well , so now the taxpayers have to pay 2 salaries in these PTSD cases where the Officers on PTSD at 75% pay will have to be replace by another $90,000.00 a year officer that will be a women to keep the Diversity Quota for women from waning.
    Then we have the Mini-Cops where the females have a 90% rate for Back-ups during 9-1-1 calls when the men have a 26% for the same type of call.
    Male Officers are called away from their routes to aid female officers in this case. I have seen it in my area where I reported a large drunk male to an Officer in a cop cart hat was a female …….but she drove past the drunk to a safe spot and parked for about 3 minutes until i saw another cop car where a tall male officer got out.
    ???? I just reported the problem for free and yet a Diversity female cop just got $90,000.00 a year to call in my report so a REAL cop would come to deal with the problem.

    Good luck when the Liberals go after the Fire Fighters for Diversity Quotas top hire mini-fighters where the TFD has to buy smaller trucks and ladders while they can’t have ladder trucks that go higher than 30 feet because small people might have a fear of heights and get greater injuries if they fall from over 30 feet.
    I’d love to see the look on Barbara Hall’s face where her home is on fire and she stuck on the top floor and sees the ladder coming to the window with a 5 foot 1″ , 115.Lb girl expected to lift her from the window to carry down the ladder.
    Ah the Just Desserts for the mental cases that crusaded to get rid of rules
    and laws where you just do what feels good and to hell with how many around you get killed.