Federal Court Bans Cross from Los Angeles Seal

LA Seal

A federal court ruled Thursday that the Los Angeles County supervisors violated the Constitution in 2014 when they voted to restore a small cross to the county seal. The cross appeared on a depiction of a historic mission building.

  • Jaedo Drax

    So the sun worshiper in the center is okay, but the cross on the historical missionary building is not, according to the 9th circuit.

    • Kathy Prendergast

      It’s not about hating religion in general, it’s about hating their own heritage and history. Soon they will be agitating to change the name of Los Angeles, which of course was established by Christian missionaries and means “the Angels”, also San Francisco and any other place named after a Christian saint. Don’t think they will never go that far; they’ve already dishonoured the memory of an assassinated president (McKinley) and changed the official English name of a mountain named in his honour to the native name “Denali”, no doubt patting themselves on the back about it all the while. “Proud of not being Proud” indeed.

  • Kathy Prendergast

    How does the court justify these decisions? All it says in the constitution is that “Congress shall make no law pertaining to the establishment of a church…” That’s it. That is all. How this can be interpreted as “no Christian symbolism or references to the Christian religion shall be allowed anywhere at anytime”, is a mystery to me, but then, I haven’t been to law school,,,

    • I’m still waiting for someone to show me this oft-referenced “separation of Church and State” law…

      • Carlos_Perera

        The irony is that the phrase “separation of Church and State” comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to the Baptist ministers of Danbury, Connecticut, to reassure them that the First Amendment clause proscribing “. . . an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” created a wall to protect churches from federal government meddling in their affairs. In its proper context, the phrase says nothing to justify government suppression of religious expression in the public square (not to mention historical religious allusions on municipal seals and the like).

        • Yes, the intent was to keep the government out of church – not the other way around – and it is not law, it was merely a letter.

        • Kathy Prendergast

          As a Canadian, I’ve had the awkward experience (well, not awkward to me) of pointing out to certain leftist American colleagues that their constitution does not actually contain the term “separation of church and state”. I know, one of these days I’m liable to get my face busted in, but I can’t help it.

    • Clausewitz

      Remember the women of the Supreme court do not rule on the merits of law, they only rule on the merits of left wing politics.

      • Kathy Prendergast

        Was it really the Supreme Court that made this decision though? I’m not sure how many levels of appeal there are in the US in cases like this.

    • Carlos_Perera

      You are right, an interpretation of the establishment and free exercise clause of the First Amendment that scrubs the public square clean of religiously-inspired speech and symbols is not possible without heavy-duty tergiversation of the plain meaning of the words. But, of course, American courts can wring Constitutional intent out of _emanations from penumbras_, whatever that means, if anything.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    Why not go all the wand go aft the very name which translates to “the Angeles”

    • Carlos_Perera

      They’ll do that in due time . . . perhaps sooner than most Americans would believe possible.

      • Kathy Prendergast

        Maybe they’ll change it to the secular version of angels, “The Fairies”.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    Some judges are stupid, but got their sinecure by kissing political asses.

    • Alain

      No, they aren’t stupid; they are judicial activists with a very clear agenda which has nothing to do with your constitution.

  • canminuteman

    Because a picture of a mission building without a cross on it would make soooo much sense!

  • john700

    I’ve realized long time ago that the communists in North America are more radical than the ones in Western Europe. And in Eastern Europe nowadays there would be a popular revolt if something like would happen.

  • Minicapt

    … and the seal still has a cross on it …


    • Jay Currie

      Beat me to it.

    • Kathy Prendergast

      Yes, the whole image is the shape of a cross. But never fear; no doubt they will going after that next. People in England are already being arrested for displaying the English flag in their home or car windows. The Union Jack – which is simply the English, Scottish, and Welsh flags, all of which are crosses, transposed on one another – will be next as soon as one of these dullards realize that that’s what it is.