Obama: “We Have A Lot To Learn From Cuba About Human Rights…”

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UPDATE: h/t Gareth

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  • Drunk_by_Noon

    He’s a f*ckhead!

    It’s so hard to tell if he really thinks this stuff, or if he’s rattling off crap that he thinks his audience wants to hear.
    Obama is such a disingenuous f*ck, it’s truly impossible to tell.
    I can’t wait till he’s gone.

    • David Murrell

      Essentially what Obama is saying is that he supports the arbitrary arrest of scores of dissidents by the Castro regime. Obama supports totalitarian repression.

      Alert: the has been two Islamc terror attacks in Brussels as I write this. At least 25 dead, the death count rising (6 am Eastern, Tuesday morning).

  • Exile1981

    So we can learn how to violate them?

  • Gareth

    I’m not defending Obama at all, and he does say reprehensible things all the time, including just now in Cuba, but he didn’t actually say the US has a lot to learn from Cuba on human rights. This sort of selective arrangement of quotes/info is intellectually dishonest, and completely unnecessary. The truth is bad enough. It really bothers me when people on my side of things (generally speaking) do this. This is same the sort of thing as the mainstream media saying shit like “Trump threatens riots.” I like the blog and I appreciate the work you all do, but please try to limit the exaggerations.

    • Minicapt

      Perhaps you might see fit to provide a link which shows that the above tweet is incorrect. Also, stop whinging.

      Cheers

      • Gareth

        Here you go. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-raul-castro-criticism-visit/2016/03/21/id/720175/ And, there are many other places to find what he actually said (which as i noted, is reprehensible in its own right)

        But the onus for for providing links should be on the person presenting the quote, no?

        Whinging? Maybe, but also genuinely trying to improve the blog. I believe truth should be important to people on our side of the aisle. I try to keep in mind that preaching to the choir has its limitations, if you want to win political and cultural battles, you need to convince others.

        • Minicapt

          … and sanctimony as well, going for the gusto?
          “Thou sham’st the music of sweet news
          By playing it to me with so sour a face.”

          Cheers

          • Gareth

            Whatever, man. Hurling insults is much easier than forming an actual argument. I’ve definitely been called worse by better people, with actual names. You are pretty much acting like a slate commenter. Well maybe that is a bit harsh. Anyway, Cheers.

          • Minicapt

            You’re a bit of a newbie; you might find rabble.ca a safer place. As for actual names, mine is a ‘nom-de-plume’ and has been for a lengthy period, much longer than the presence of ‘Gareth’, last seen in the New Avengers.

            Cheers

          • Gareth

            You see something you disagree with, ask for link, ignore it, hurl insults. You seem to be the one in need of a safe space, free from challenging opinions. And rabble? What have I said that suggests those are my comrades? I’m also not actually a newbie, I just don’t comment, or read comments for that matter, very often. You have yet to actually address anything of substance. You have not actually made a single argument. You are some pretty thin gruel, ma’am.

          • Minicapt

            Actually, you are a newbie in this context; you have not offered substance of your own; when requested, you published a link which failed to back up your original contention. I apologise for wasting Shakespeare on you. Good night.

            Cheers

          • Gareth

            What? Failed to back up my contention? Again, I think you are putting the onus in the wrong place here. Where is a link showing he said what was in the original tweet? Do you seriously think that trotting out a Shakespeare quote was some sort of rhetorical master stroke? You must really love the smell of your own farts. You have contributed nothing, either because you are unwilling or unable. I suspect unable.

          • Justin St.Denis

            Welcome to BCF, Gareth. I received a similarly hostile reaction when I first came here. Over time, I noted that some come to participate in the discussions while others come to assert some kind of “identity” here which they perhaps lack in real time/meatspace. Identifying who is here and for what reasons will reveal itself over time. I save a lot of time by skipping some handles completely. BTW, you will be very welcomed by a chap here called “dance to the radio” who is always up for lively debate. “Shebel”and “David Murrel” are also worth pausing for, and “Millie Woods” is very funny.

            I never let any commenter in a bad mood piss on my parade. I simply ignore, like I did when the kids were going through that whiny stage children go through. Mine and most get through it. Some never leave it.

          • Gareth

            The intellectual laziness you display is the same vice displayed by the left. It is intellectual laziness that allows “islam is a religion of peace” etc to proliferate. You, by good fortune I suppose, are on the right side of things, but monkeys spinning wheels out pick hockey pundits sometimes too.

          • Gareth

            Not sure if Minicapt is a he/she/ze? Probably Ze right?

          • Justin St.Denis

            Insightful AND trenchant! I like it!

      • V10_Rob

        Not seeing any primary sources that those are indeed his words. If he said it, nail him to the wall. But I’m not going get all triggered by a sloppy half quote / half insinuation on Twitter. We’re better than that.

        “President Castro has also addressed what he views as shortcomings in the United States around basic needs for people in poverty and inequality and race relations and we welcome that constructive dialogue as well,” Obama said. “I actually welcome President Castro commenting on some of the areas where he feels where we’re falling short because I think we should not be immune or afraid of criticism or discussion as well.”

        That’s the closest I’m getting, more of his usual ‘America was done the world wrong’ contrition BS.

    • Justin St.Denis

      Agree 100%, Gareth. Few things irritate me more than a misleading headline, and this one was indeed misleading. This is rather unusual here at BCF in my experience, except in cases of obvious sarcasm.

      • The problem with trying to get under my skin with this passive aggressive hectoring is that you might just succeed. If you do I recommend “Austen St. Juste” for the next time you sneak back in.

        • Justin St.Denis

          I am not being “passive aggressive”, I was commenting to Gareth re his remark. I had not even noticed who posted the headline.

          It is not always about you. Most people learn this at a much younger age.

          Try to have a nice day.

          • ‘I am not being “passive aggressive”… Try to have a nice day.’

          • Justin St.Denis

            ???

            If one removes all context, the words “yes” and “no” can become “passive aggressive”. I’m not following you.

            BTW, I choose not to engage further because recent history……….

    • It was a sloppy misquote, and I’m going to blame Weasel Zippers for that one. They’re usually very reliable. Here’s what seems to be the actual quote referred to: “The goal of the human rights dialogue is not for the United States to dictate to Cuba how to govern themselves,” Obama continued. “Hopefully, we can learn from each other.”

      • Gareth

        Definitely sloppy on weasel zippers part. Keep up the good work.

  • Allan

    I think early onset senility is at work here. No one in their right mind can think for a second that Cuba has been a paragon of “human rights”. Un-fu*king-believable.