Steinitz ‘disappointed’ in 18-years of US spying

Energy Minister Yuval Steinitz (Likud) responded on Friday to the morning’s report revealing that the US and UK have infiltrated Israeli intelligence for the past 18 years, hacking into the video broadcasts of Israeli drones conducting sensitive missions in the region.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    And I’m disappointed about Jonathan Pollard.

    • I bet he isn’t;)

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Maybe he can name another street after him?

  • Israel is an ally in the ME — they should be sharing intelligence with the Israelis not stealing it. I can’t help but admire how Israel has deftly avoided confrontations with its neighbours in the midst of all this turmoil, except where it becomes absolutely necessary for its self-defense or the security its citizens.

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      Yes, why aren’t the Israelis sharing intelligence?

      • Hard Little Machine

        Because it would go to Iran, Turkey, al Qaeda and ISIS.

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          You mean like the intelligence that Pollard stole which the Israelis traded to the Soviets in exchange for higher immigration?
          You mean like that?

          • Hard Little Machine

            link please

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            When you have EIGHT former Secretaries of Defense signing the same letter in 1998, and again to Bush in 2001, urging Bill Clinton and George W Bush NOT to release Pollard, it not only does not look good, it’s utterly unprecedented.

            Unless of course you think they are all a bunch of raging antisemites…

          • Jews were generally prohibited by the Soviets from emigrating. There were exceptions but the price could be as high as $10,000 per Jew. Just to clarify.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Yep, they sure were, but so was almost everybody in the former Soviet Union.

      • The Israelis are no angels. But I think they are a Sovereign Nation and Israel is their turf, not U.S. turf — the initiative for intelligence sharing in their own region should come from the U.S. and allies. Likewise if Israel has intelligence that can help the U.S. in preventing attacks on the U.S. then Israel should reciprocate, and in the war against global terrorism in general.

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          They absolutely have a sovereign right to share or not to share with anyone they chose to.
          We also have the right to spy on whomever we chose for the same reason.
          It’s what you do with that intelligence that matters.
          I can guarantee you that there is some level of American intelligence gathering going on in Canada (and The UK, and Israel, and wherever), but that doesn’t mean we are necessary doing anything nefarious with it either. It is however a wonderful way to spot leaks in friendly foreign intelligence services when information known to be only possessed by Canada starts showing up in China.

          It sounds like a dick-headed move, but it happens.
          Now it would be a totally different ball of wax if were trading that information to China for some other advantage at Canada’s expense.
          Then that really would be a horrible thing to do, in this example.

          • Norman_In_New_York

            What this shows is that the U.S. and its allies are deficient in gathering intelligence compared to Israel. It’s like China stealing American corporate secrets.

          • All the Allies engage in “friendly spying” on one another. My understanding is there’s an unwritten rule that “friendly spying” is limited to economic and sociological data. More sensitive data is shared according to agreements. At least that’s the ideal.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            It’s an area that I’m sure is rife with speculation (including my own) and very little hard info, because it would be embarrassing to everyone involved.
            The friendly spying that you are talking about is just regular open source collection stuff that anyone can do. I just have no idea how far anyone or any state would be willing to take it. There also seems to be a fair amount of unofficial info shared that might not be explicitly authorized at the highest levels either, but cooperation still occurs.
            Could we listen in on Trudeau’s personal phone calls? Probably we could. Would we chose to? Probably not, but then again, maybe we monitor all national leaders on some level.
            Greece claims we had their PM’s cell phones monitored, and they seemed to offer some compelling proof that we were.
            Why? I have no idea.
            Canada would probably warrant a higher level of consideration that Greece, but is also a far more important subject too.
            I’m sure Totonto is not riddled with CIA “kill teams” roaming the streets, but I’d be surprised if there was zero collection efforts going on.
            All the people that know ain’t talking, and all the people talking… well you know the rest.

          • Yeah, it’s funny they have “compelling proof”, when such proof would probably require them to equally infiltrate the U.S. in the same way (or buy the intelligence from someone who has). I suppose you can stretch the meaning of “sociological data”.

  • Hard Little Machine

    Israel needs to bail on the F-35 and needs to stop selling drones to the US and the UK.