Islam and multiculturalism…

“No one is ever going to convince me that shrouding a woman’s body and face says anything other than Subjugated Female Within”

A lecturer friend was shocked when a student asked if she could miss class to accompany her mum to hospital. The daughter needed to translate for the mother who had lived in east London for more than 30 years. When my friend wondered how that was possible, the daughter replied: “My dad didn’t want mum to learn English so she never did.”

  • tom_billesley

    It’s terribly unaccomodating of the British to place this man in the position of having to let his daughter learn English.

  • tom_billesley

    Police hunt “asian” man who tried to put his hand up 12-year-old’s skirt on London bus. She must have been wearing perfume.

    • The Butterfly

      Asia’s a pretty big place.

      • Kathy Prendergast

        “Asian” in Britain is basically a euphemism for “Pakistani”. In reality it rarely needs to be applied to non-Muslim people from India, East Asia, etc. because they cause much fewer problems.

        • Kathy Prendergast

          In Canada, I believe, the term du jour for people from Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh is “South Asian” or “Indo-Canadian” (although I doubt that Pakistanis or Bangladeshis like that very much); while people from the rest of Asia are simply “Asian”. These of course are appropriate only when you don’t know exactly what country they are from. And of course we change our terms for the descendants of the first inhabitants of Canada more regularly than we change our government. From my own childhood to now we’ve gone from “Indian” to “Native” to “Aboriginal” to “First Nations”, and God forbid you get it wrong.

  • Islam cannot exist with equal women.

    That alone is good enough reason to shut down all the mosques and arrest the mullahs.

    • Etobicoke_Gladiator

      Hear, hear!

  • bargogx1

    She almost seems like she gets it, until the part where she praises the “Republican Muslim” for taking a symbol of freedom and liberty and turning it into a symbol of repression and totalitarianism.

  • lolwut?

    30 years and never learned English?

    Hell, there are tons of Chinese in Vancouver who are like that have been here
    for twice as long and they are not locked in the homes like Muslim women.

    • Justin St.Denis

      Excellent point. Keen observation. Cana-duh.

    • Alain

      Who is the blame for this? It is our own government both federal and provincial. When government continues telling immigrants there is no need to assimilate or even learn the language, I hold government responsible. No need to know either English or French even to obtain a passport and the same for drivers’ license, medical care and everything else. This has been going on for years and one sees the results daily in BC.

      • lolwut?

        I’m just blown away by how it’s even remotely possible NOT to learn even a little bit of English after several decades of living in a large city, even by accident.

        Simple exposure to any language over a few months or years will stick in your head by simple repetition and association of words and actions.

        Even Chinese people I know struggle to figure out how that’s even possible.
        There are large amounts of Chinese seniors around where I live who aren’t totally shut off from anything outside of Chinatown yet they can’t speak a damn word in English.

        • Alain

          I agree with you completely, but as I stated I am more disgusted by our government for encouraging it. I recall when to be accepted as a landed immigrant one had to have a basic working knowledge of English or French which only made sense. I know some RCMP officers who told me that far too often when they stop a “new” Canadian for a traffic violation it is a waste of time. The person claims not to speak or understand English and gets off. It isn’t just Chinese people either but often happens with East Indians.

          • Kathy Prendergast

            I agree that it’s often appalling and frustrating how little effort so many “new Canadians” from China are making to learn English (or French, if they’re in Quebec). I use public transportation in Greater Vancouver regularly and see the effects of this often. Bus drivers have to yell repeatedly at people to get them to move to the back of the bus, for example, or to stand aside so someone in a wheelchair can get on or off the bus, or a mom with a stroller. I realize sometimes it’s just outright rudeness, but sometimes they really don’t seem to understand what’s being said when the driver days “Move to the back” or “stand aside” and they are often just in their own little bubble, eyes glued to their phone and often with earphones stuck in their ears which doesn’t help. Many native Vancouverites really loathe these new Chinese and I can’t say I blame them.

          • Brian Jones

            Not just native Vancouverites. I know a few Chinese folks who are well-assimilated who dislike the others. One insists it’s a Hong Kong vs. Mainlanders thing (she’s from Homg Kong and can’t stand the Mainlanders, so she’s probably biased when she says they’re rude and willfully ignorant, though.)

            And it does create a weird dual world for young Chinese-Canadian people, where some of them want to integrate well while retaining their ethnic traditions in a similar way to the Italians in New York, but they get treated as traitors by the non-integrated Chinese. And conversely, the non-integrating Chinese certainly cut themselves off from the larger society which can have limiting effects for them too.

    • Brian Jones

      Not just Chinese – my Polish grandmother has been here since 1948 living in rural Manitoba and, since the mid 70s, Winnipeg.

      As a result, she’s now thoroughly bilingual, speaking both her native Polish and Ukrainian.

      English, not so much, beyond punctuating sentences with “ay… my God!” when she’s dismayed or annoyed by something one of us grandkids has done or failed to do.

  • Gary

    John Tory boasts about the Diversity in Toronto and that it offers Services in over 100 languages.
    Toronto’s debt is heading up towards $5,000,000,000.00 while each Mayor tosses out Billion dollar promises to stay in power but have NO plan to get out of debt and stick to what the City Hall was meant to govern over and the Services they need to focus on .
    Every minority group seems to expect that they can pay $1.00 in taxes and get back $3.00 in services.

    Toronto is heading towards being Canada’s Detroit , even if Justin and Wynne try to bail it out because there is only 1 taxpayer funding these morons.

    • Alain

      Really no different from most other provinces and cities in Canada.

    • Kathy Prendergast

      There is a reason for a country have “Official Languages”. It’s to prevent this kind of Tower of Babel bullshit. There is absolutely no reason or justification for any government services to be offered in Canada in anything other than French and English, be it at the federal, provincial, or city level, except maybe some of the most isolated Northern native communities where some older people still speak only their mother tongue; considering they have always been here I think some accommodation should be made for them. But newcomers? Learn the goddamn official languages, or at least one of them, and learn the one most appropriate for the region. If you’re anywhere other than Quebec, that means English.

  • Kathy Prendergast

    In Greater Vancouver there are many Chinese women – stay-at-home moms and older women who don’t work outside the home – who have lived here for well over a decade without ever learning a word of English, but in their case it’s not because their husbands don’t want them to. They just have no motivation to do so. The Chinese community is so enormous they can pretty much do everything they need to do and get all the services they need in Chinese. Still, their children don’t seem to have any trouble learning the language and integrating, because that’s what they all want and expect. It’s a very different culture from that of Muslims.