Christians and Muslims Do Not Worship the Same God

Yesterday the Internet exploded with the news that Wheaton College in Illinois — known as the “Harvard of Evangelical colleges” — had suspended professor Larycia Hawkins for wearing a headscarf as a gesture of “embodied solidarity” with Muslims. These stories weren’t true. The professor wasn’t suspended for wearing a headscarf but for publicly declaring that Christians and Muslims “worship the same God.”

  • I don’t recall Jesus or Moses bowing toward Mecca five times a day. Especially since Mecca didn’t even exist at the time. Neither did the Koran — Arabic didn’t even exist as a language until centuries later. Islam is in fact the youngest of the global religions — the spiritual depth of Islamic theologians is only slightly superior to that of hard-core materialists. And like materialists, Islamists seek an earthly kingdom — not a spiritual one. Even their “otherworldly” rewards are essentially carnal in nature — you get to fuck 72 virgins forever in heaven! Anyone who has had a genuine spiritual experience is aware that the latter far transcends anything that can be expressed through a boner. Reducing God to a mere biological function is pretty pathetic — Islam probably has more in common with Gay culture!

    • Lichen Craig

      I was totally with you until your last bigoted/ignorant statement. Many Christians in the gay community, friend.

      • dukestreet

        What do you mean? I don’t think that what he says is bigoted at all. Because, in many Islamic parts of the world women are of no consequence at all and the men party with each other rather than dealing with all the prohibitions regarding women. also, since women are only good for a few things in the Islamic society,the men hang out together all the time. Women on the other hand are not allowed to be with anybody but women,except when being escorted by relatives. The sexes are mostly completely separated.

        • Amen. Plus the acceptance of homosexual pedophilia in Islam (as well as hetero pedophilia), which permits adult male sex with male minors, but can be prohibited and punishable by death between adult males. Lots of latent sexual repression being acted out.

          • mobuyus

            Islam is very gay and attracts many gays and becomes gayer all the time now there are gays throwing gays off of tall buildings. How gay is that?

          • Justin St.Denis

            Very gay.

      • What’s bigoted about it? I didn’t say “hang all the Gays” the way Islamists do. I happened to believe that Gays have the right to exist, even if I disagree with them. I was stating facts — Gay identity is absolutely dependent on what they do with their genitalia, apart from that their identity would not exist. And for most Gays, their carnal identity supercedes anything spiritual.

        Your judgement of me making that irrefutable truthful observation is in fact what is bigoted. I have never, and I will never, harm a Gay person in my life. Nor a Muslim for that matter. Look in the mirror my friend.

        • dance…dancetotheradio

          I’d rather hang the deejay.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Wouldn’t we all!

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            The music that they constantly play says nothing to me about my life.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG_l8HVTAog

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            🙂
            Without the reference I wonder how many would have gotten that.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        I was with YOU until you started smearing scriptualy accurate Christains with epitats for simply telling the truth.
        Homosexuals are only denounced in the bible if they are currently practicing homosexuals.

        • Amen. Personally I don’t think God smote Sodom and Gomorrah because he hated homosexuals — as people. He smote them because they made it impossible for anyone “righteous” to live among them — they were militant sex perverts actively persecuting the righteous.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            Sodom and Gomorrah let the deejay play.
            Cause I’m only gone tomorrow and here today.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjqSRQoxnhs

          • mobuyus

            They still do and still are.

          • Actually, the Torah says that God regards homosexuality as an abomination – meaning he disapproves of it as extremely as is possible.

  • dukestreet

    Wheaton College is correct. While Christians and Jews worship the same God and both read and study the Old Testament. Muslims don’t worship the same god at all. If anyone has read the Koran they would assume that Mo must have had contact with both Christians & Jews that he didn’t kill. The koran reads like Mo listened to stories told by those people & used them to help create the Koran.

    I remember being very confused when I read 3 translations of it and felt that the stories were like the Bible but all mixed up and not right. I even asked my Muslim friends from the Middle east about that,but they haqd no clue what I was talking about.

    if you read Muslim eschatology,you will discover that the Muslims believe that Jesus will come back and say he was wrong and had converted to Islam and was to kill all Christians & Jews. Essentially, the Muslim Savior is the Christian Antichrist and the Christian Savior is the Muslim Antichrist. It is more than evident by the difference in the behaviour of the different religions that the Muslim god is different from the Islamic one.

    • “I remember being very confused when I read 3 translations of it and felt that the stories were like the Bible but all mixed up and not right. I even asked my Muslim friends from the Middle east about that,but they haqd no clue what I was talking about.”

      I remember years ago watching some Imam on TV going about this stuff. I knew very little about Islam at the time and it struck me as really bizarre.

      • Exile1981

        There is some factual evidence that after mo was tossed from mecca for trying to oust his uncle as head man but before he dictated the koran he went to a jewish community and a christian one where they told him bible stories. Since he was illiterate he later used his faulty memory of those stories when he told them to his followers.

    • Mo
      • luna

        Muslims pray to a small black stone that they believe to be a once bright fallen star turned black by the sins of dirty Muslims.

        • Yo Mama

          Are we sure it wasn’t a small black stone that some kid slung at the “prophets” head in derision to his rantings?

          • luna

            I’m not sure the “prophet” of Islam ever existed. Only thing I’m sure of is that Islam is the most popular religion among losers & tyrants.

        • Exile1981

          it’s a piece of an asteroid.

          • luna

            I checked Wikipedia, and found this amusing story that someone smeared excrement on the black stone, so all who kiss it soil their beards.

          • Exile1981

            I would guess thats a fake story. No one has kissed it in 30 years I believe as the rock is behind 2″ of armoured glass.

            Now the building it is in us also made of black stone and given the millions of visitors each year whobtouch it snd kiss it (the building) and who wipe using their hand…

          • luna

            The story was reported in 1674.

          • Exile1981

            Then it could be true.

      • Frances

        Precisely that. My God is a God of love.

    • FactsWillOut

      The Christian God is the Trinity.
      Only Christians worship the Trinity.

  • luna

    Allah is not the god of Judaism or Christianity.

    This is clear from the fact that the golden rule is the essence of Judaism, and one of the best deeds in Christianity (along with living god), while Islam does not contain the golden rule (only a perversion of it), and considers belief & jihad the best deeds.

  • Hard Little Machine

    She’s an idiot and a future suicide bomber herself but to be fair her crime was quoting the Pope at an evangelical Methodist college. They REALLY hate that.

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      Something tells me that you don’t know any evangelical Christians.

  • BradThomas

    This (paraphrased) from Christian apologist William Lane Craig: Allah is not the most perfect being because he does not love all his creations (in fact, he is “a god who hates”, in Wafa Sultan’s words). The koran assures us that “Allah does not love the unbeliever”, therefore, he is not a perfect being. The Christian conception of God is that he does love all his creations – even if they choose to reject him.

  • mauser 98

    off topic?
    Germany just switched on a revolutionary nuclear fusion machine
    “Physicists in Germany announced that they’ve just fired up one of the world’s largest nuclear fusion machines for the first time”
    http://www.sciencealert.com/german-has-just-successfully-fired-up-a-revolutionary-nuclear-fusion-machine

    wow…. a million sheepshaggers and a fusion machine

    • H

      Well, the fusion machine probably needs mega amounts of fuel to operate: maybe Merkel isn’t as insane as she appears….

    • Maurice Miner

      Very basic using helium in the plasma field rather than hydrogen, and still measured in nanoseconds. Controllable nuclear fusion may be possible in the 5,000th year of the New Caliphate, but not at the moment.

      If you are interested in energy, Google LFTR technology – available right now, if we had the presence of mind in “our” Government.

      • mauser 98

        OK… why did they bother?

        • Maurice Miner

          I guess that controlled fusion has been a Green holy grail since the first uncontrolled fusion reaction – i.e. the H-bomb.

          They have thrown billions and billions at it, and of course if it really worked and sustainable it would mean unlimited free power (energy supply that would simply be too cheap to justify the cost of meter readings etc).

          Of course, the modern Greenies don’t like one bit the concept of cheap, freely available energy.

      • FactsWillOut

        LFTR isn’t perfected yet either. Granted, the engineering hurdles are nowhere near as hard as what we need for fusion, but, it’s still in the future.

        • Maurice Miner

          Agreed, it’s definitely in the future. Imagine if everything we are currently spending on the Global Warming boondoggle, and propping up “old” nuclear technology, was instead spent on an achievable “new” nuclear tech. We would be there within our lifetimes!

          Simple, safe, universal production of incredible amounts of electrical energy.

          Instead, we are relegated to being “deindustrialised” and “decarbonised” by the lunatics in charge of the asylum.

          I fear for the human race, to be honest.

          • FactsWillOut

            This too, shall pass.
            We are in the declining phase of a moribund civilization, I’m afraid.
            All we can do is to make sure that something resembling a freedom-loving western civilization comes out the other side in say 2150.
            That being said, I don’t think that loss of knowledge is too great of a risk, even if we are knocked back 100 years. Knocking us back 1000 years isn’t possible, there are too many people who know how to make steel and electricity and internal combustion engines.

          • Maurice Miner

            Well, to be honest, knocking us back 1,000 years is the political and religious thrust of a quarter of the world’s population! [slowly but surely dragging this thread back on topic 🙂 ]

          • FactsWillOut

            Given that evolution itself has seen a 4 billion year trend in exponentially faster and better information processing and resource allocation ability (of which Moore’s Law is just an expression), I’m not too worried about the desires of a few savages, even if there are 1.6 billion of them. When push comes to shove, we can kill 7 (million) at a blow, and I don’t think a 4 billion year old trend will let us hesitate to do so.

          • FactsWillOut

            Thorium reactors hold the promise of cheap spaceflight, and maybe even cars whose fuel supply outlasts it’s wheel bearings.

          • Maurice Miner

            Look, as much as I love my V8, I shudder to think of the traffic and parking problems if every man and his dog had a plug in Prius.

            It would be wonderful, but totally crazy without proper infrastructure. That infrastructure would necessarily include self-driving vehicles, which is why Google and others are going hell-bent into autonomous platforms for mass private/public transport.

            Unless the road capacity and clearance keeps up with the traffic capacity, we are all going to be stuck inside autonomous Prius look-alikes, in the most enormous traffic jams in history.

            That is not going to be an improvement in lifestyle, I’m afraid.

          • FactsWillOut

            Hopefully, huge million+ pop. cities will become a thing of the past. They make great targets for nukes, after all.
            Congestion is a city thing, us rural folk laugh at it, unless we have to visit someone who is unfortunate enough to live in a city.

  • bob e

    already down on her knees .. she’s not gonna like her muslim husband

  • Maurice Miner

    I always thought that the Mohammedans worshipped the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) as being the “perfect” man of the Quran, who in turn was the actual and aspirational embodiment of Allah (swt), to be emulated in every way by the devout.

    Therefore, all Mahommedans are required to worship Mohammed as they would Allah (swt). Surely this is effectively subrogation of the Christian concept of the Trinity, minus the concept of the Holy Ghost.

    Maybe the splodeydopes take this as religious authentication of their becoming Unholy Ghosts, so as to complete the Mahommedan travesty of the Trinity?

    • Justin St.Denis

      LOLZ @ “splodeydopes”

  • BillyHW

    You know there is a reason they don’t let women be priests and bishops.

    • Yeah, ’cause those guys are running things so splendidly.

      • FactsWillOut

        Do you think women would do better?

        Cough**prohibition**cough.

        • Justin St.Denis

          Given the female record on voting…..

      • BillyHW

        There’s rules against ordaining faggots too, but they don’t obey them.

        • A cadre of gay men is the ultimate no-girls-allowed club.

  • I beg to differ with the theological claims in the article linked to here.
    I agree that Jews, Christians and Muslims do not worship the same god. First came Judaism, whose Torah and subsequent literature proposed a certain image of God as creator, concerned with human welfare, etc.

    Insofar as the Christians were offshoots of the Jewish faith, Christianity has considerable common ground (in beliefs and values) with Judaism. Significantly, it still refers to the Jewish Bible, though it adds a New Testament to it. But while Judaism simply posits one God, Christian doctrine posits this one God (called the Father) as having other manifestations (the Son and the Holy Ghost). This is not a minor difference, so much so that these two have become separate religions.

    Then came Islam, which was a cut and paste mixture of Jewish, Christian and other doctrines, put together by someone called Mohamed (or later by someone else who invented Mohamed too). That editor had many memory problems and a rather wild imagination, so that his mix produced something else entirely. The monotheism of Islam has in common with that of Judaism and (to a lesser extent) Christianity only a set of claims and stories emanating from the latter – but essentially the Islamic god, Allah, is a new invention – another god.

    The fact that Islam is monolatrous (i.e. adheres to only one god) does not change the fact that it is essentially an idolatry. If you read the story, you will see that originally Allah was one of the idols worshiped in Mecca, and when Mohamed identified this idol with the God of Judaism, he hesitated for a while as to whether to remain open to the other gods of Mecca by Allah’s side or not (he chose the latter course, we’re told).

    It should be added that there are other religions in the world besides these three, which are not historically derived from them, and which may be said to involve some degree of monotheism. There is no cut and dried monopoly on this idea. Humanity has struggled for millennia and continues to struggle with spiritual questions. They are valid questions, and maybe some of the proposed answers provide some of the real answers – but no one can claim objectively and absolute certainty that they have the final answer. And that is a good thing.