In terms of bad tourism futures, is 1984 winning out over Brave New World?

From Salvo:

Our Dystopia, the worst of both worlds

Orwell’s vs. Huxley’s dystopias (1984 vs. Brave New World)

Unsettlingly, Orwell is gaining on Huxley

So who wins? Huxley retains a slight advantage in my view because a perpetual 1984 reign of terror may be less viable over time than a BNW technotopia where few would be sober enough to rebel. But the growth in size and scope of government in recent decades has narrowed Huxley’s lead, and that is sobering. More.

Reality check: It is likely impossible to achieve Brave New World without a generous dose of 1984.

See also: Europe learning to live with terror? Why not?

  • Hard Little Machine

    The thing about Huxley is that HE didn’t think he was writing dystopian fiction. He was rather a big fan of the type of world he portrays and BNW is NOT irony.

  • Jabberwokk

    I always believed as far as the west is concern that BNW means is the pathway to 1984’s ends.

    If I wanted to conquer the world I would inflict pleasure not pain. Humans have a natural aversion to pain and a natural gravitation to pleasure. It is particularly effective in a society that discards discipline as oppression and that regards unbridled pleasure as innately and ultimately good. Know any societies like that?

    • Tom

      I remember in High School having to read 1984 and Ray Bradbury’s Fahrenheit 451 (depicting an unfree world more similar to Huxley’s than Orwell’s) and thinking/feeling in my 16 year old brain that the heavy handed pain approach just would have less chance of succeeding than the pleasant, mind-numbing “lotus-eaters” one. Just a sense, though as you mention pleasure, by definition, is attractive and desirable whereas pain is the opposite.

      A psychiatrist friend told me that both the “carrot and stick” approaches work equally well in conditioning animals’ (including human) behaviour, so who knows?

      • Jabberwokk

        I find what puts me over the edge is that I can get people to kill themselves instead of having to do the dirty work myself. Addictions can keep people in there place. And if anyone tries to accuse me of wrong I can just point out that they did it to themselves. I would invest in campaigns that disapprove or outright demonize ideas like self-control, my only real enemy, in favor or having a good time. I would get them to shift there focus on the now and off the future, another idea that must be done away with. I would convince them that their experiences are to be the most valued to centralize there worldview on themselves.

        I would conquer the world because people would hand it to me on a silver platter smiles of bliss on their faces as they did. Paranoid top down control is for amateurs.