• Xavier

    It matters not; the seed of an invasive species is planted.

    • FactsWillOut

      They held all of Spain for 400 years.

    • Seneca III

      There is only one survivable scenario for us and it is not
      any of those so moderately and politically correctly proposed above.

      Islam is a purse string suture in the rectum of human social
      and moral evolution and is species’ suicide to allow it to progress into any
      human future.

      Hence that suture must be snipped before the effluent backing up behind it poisons us all beyond salvation and condemns us to a future of eternal slavery enforced by the most barbaric culture of death and atrocity that a sub-human mind-set has ever conceived.

      There is only one policy that has any hope of success.

      We must be prepared to enact the following, ‘Let there be not one Madrassa, not one Mosque, not one Muslim in these our ancestral homelands; let us contain, curette, quarantine and then expel those we may be able to permit to survive. Then those Demented Slaves of Allah so deported en masse will be free, for a while, to abuse, torture and kill each other in whatever failed, primitive hell hole they or their immediate ancestors came from and have been trying to recreate here.

      It is both that simple and that difficult. Anything else is just wishful thinking.

      • Xavier

        I agree – but do we, as a country, have the will?

        • FactsWillOut

          Once our back is truly against the wall, we will. Same as it ever was.
          Those of us who know history are also doomed to repeat it, we just get the added misery of seeing it coming.

          • Xavier

            I will, personally. I’m sure you will, personally. But we will be fighting both the Moslems and the government.

            History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes. Every war is a little different – what stays the same is motivation.

          • FactsWillOut

            Survival is a pretty strong motivation. So is freedom.

          • Xavier

            What does history say about suppression of religion and underdogs?

            I worry we could make them stronger, inadvertently.

            In today’s world, you cannot destroy every copy of their evil book or ensure there are no pockets of believers.

          • FactsWillOut

            NAZIs still exist. They no longer threaten us.

          • Xavier

            So do Christians.

          • FactsWillOut

            Christians never threatened anyone.

        • Exile1981

          Maybe we do as a people but as a nation, No. At least not while progressives poison our countries.

        • Maggat

          Currently, no.

        • WalterBannon

          not under the treasonous turdeau

          he must go

        • Blacksmith

          We few on places like this do I believe but there is still a huge part of the population that only knows how teh kardashian ass is today.

  • BradThomas

    The way I would rate the associated probabilities:

    Scenario 4 (Surrender): 50%, Scenario 5 (Fragmentation): 20%, Scenario 2 (Restriction): 15%, Scenario 3 (Civil War): 10%, Scenario 1 (Integration Fantasy Scenario): 5%

    Admittedly, I tend to be a pessimist!

    • FactsWillOut

      On which historical precedents do you base your assessment?

    • A bit early to make quantitative predictions.

      • FactsWillOut

        Predictions based upon pessimism and emotions, to boot.

  • pdxnag

    (Broken record alert) End the food aid and medical aid to communities with fertility rates higher than your own, period.

    As the average IQ heads south what will the future hold? Full restoration of Tribalism? This is would be nervana to a fanatical Multiculturist. Those who mix have no identity, like a cross between a Vietnamese woman and an American man in Vietnam.

    • tom_billesley

      The “Rhineland bastards” in Germany, “Cape Coloureds” in South Africa, Anglo-Indians in India. Changes in regime are especially hard on such groups.

      • pdxnag

        Today the contamination is Whiteness, to a Multiculturist.

  • He left out option 6 – civil war. And I believe this is a coming reality.

    Like it or not, the end result of option 6 will dictate which of the first 5 options wins out.

    • FactsWillOut

      Unless the civil war lasts for centuries.

    • Seneca III

      In one sense I agree with you, Bob. Kill ’em all and let Allah sort them out.

  • The only scenario worth considering and that should be focused on is REJECTION. Without rejection, the Muslims will end up taking over – i.e. the Surrender scenario will occur.

    The other scenarios are only intermediate states between these two alternatives. Restriction will only last for a while, then will have to go either to Rejection or to Surrender. Ditto for Fragmentation, which will mean continuing war between White resistance pockets and Muslim expansionist pressure, until one side or the other wins all. Ditto for Civil War, which will either be won or lost by one side or the other. As for the Integration scenario – this is of course pure fantasy and will not happen, cannot happen given the nature of Islam, unless this term (Integration) is equated to the Surrender term.

    To survive, the West MUST absolutely, and as united as possible, stop all immigration of Muslims and expel all Muslims, whether newly immigrated or born here, and must do so quickly and decisively, without misplaced pity, before it is too late (i.e. before the invaders get too strong). If it does not, the West will sink into the Muslim Dark Ages, a black hole of suffering without hope for centuries to come. This is a biological law of survival, like it or not.

    • FactsWillOut

      You are falling into the trap of believing that sovereign nations and borders are carved in stone.
      Fragmentation implies a re-drawing of Europe. Then it can go to real warfare between states.

      • Of course, that’s what I meant by “continuing war between White resistance pockets and Muslim expansionist pressure.”

        • FactsWillOut

          Ahh, I misunderstood. As I see it, white resistance pockets will eventually become sovereign states in their own right.
          The lack of “recognition” means nothing.
          ISIS is now a legitimate(albeit evil) state, with it’s own laws, military, tax structure, civil service, etc.
          ISIS’ laws are essentially the same as the Saudis.

          • Yes. The civil war or the partial restriction or rejection scenarios may lead to temporary (even long time) states at war – as happened in the past when Islam invaded Europe.

          • FactsWillOut

            Indeed. Still, I do not underestimate the British, French or German ability to go into civil war, and get support from Eastern European white nations.

          • Agreed. Let’s hope for the best till the matter’s settled. It’s not over till it’s over.

          • FactsWillOut

            The best would be elections of nationalist leaders who start closing all the mosques, and deporting/imprisoning all Muslims.

          • Yes. This is the rational solution. Let’s hope reason prevails. In fact the leftists are driving the West straight into the wall – it is their insistence on irrational behavior that is producing the horrible prospect of bloodshed and unrest. If we act rationally soon enough, much suffering can be avoided.

          • P_F

            While it’s imperative to close down all mosque/islamic centers and deport all mohammedans, it’s equally important to take care of supporters of islam & mohammedans at the same time.
            Leftists and other crap from third world countries who don’t assimilate & champion mohammedan cause or has other ulterior motives of their own should also be booted likewise.
            I work with many east indians, filipinos, africans & chinese majority has little to no interest in Canada’s culture & values or history, they are here for just one sole reason ‘Easy Money’.

          • Blacksmith

            While I agree with you, I would also say that this will be even harder to accomplish than removing the pisslamist. Only true civil war or anarchy will provide the environment to do this and many mistakes will be made. That is not saying that I don’t think it should be done however.

          • tom_billesley

            The Reconquista started with the establishment of a small Christian state in northern Spain, a resistance pocket in the mountains of Asturias.

        • Blacksmith

          Oops, should have read farther down thread before posting. Ignore my last.

    • Xavier

      I cannot imagine the entirety of Western civilization acting in unison about anything. We are going to see civil/regional war, submission, rejection, governments overthrown, and eventually an Islamic coalition created in central Europe. That will be the basis of the takeover of the rest of the continent, and it will be done with force when possible and numbers (birth rate) when not.

      • FactsWillOut

        Once the war starts, all bets are off.
        Never forget the fighting fury, indeed the horror, of what happens when white folk get sufficiently pissed off.
        Cold anger.
        http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/27/cold-anger/

      • The West has acted in unison in the past – remember WWI and WWII. But you are right of course, right now it does not look very likely that any Western gov’t intends to act as it should.

        I agree with you that all the scenarios mentioned will likely take place over time and space. And things will be in flux for quite a while. Maybe decades or even centuries. That’s what happened in the past – the example of Spain keeps coming to mind.

    • Blacksmith

      I completely agree with your second paragraph. I am not sure I totally agree with the first. I think if enough people wake up and resist we may seriously redraw some maps.

  • Tom Forsythe

    The sheltering of refugees, in and of itself, isn’t the problem. We have done it before. But when you add the welfare state and multiculturalism, combined with the aggressive nature of Islam, you get a recipe for disaster.

    • FactsWillOut

      There is no such thing as a Muslim refugee.

      • Gary

        True, as we see now in the Toronto area with mosques in 2 public schools they came to canada as oppressed and are now the oppressors once they became the majority in the schools.
        The school is a perfect example of what will happen in our neighbourhoods when they become the majority and demand sharia law at first for them self to live by and THEN once they have the numbers they will enforce it in the area .
        But the final phase will be when they area big enough minority in Canada around 10% where they will exercise the orders in the quran to demand an islamic state inside Canada and finally one day claim Canada as caliphate.

        • That spells it out.

        • Xavier

          8-10% is critical mass. There are examples of it all over the world, and a lot of dead people to prove it.

          • FactsWillOut

            The only European countries to have Muslim rule were helped along that path by NATO. Period.

          • Xavier

            What is your point?

          • FactsWillOut

            That the 8-10% critical point is a lie. European countries have recovered from far more, and Kosovo, too, would have done so, had not NATO taken the side of the enemy.

          • Xavier

            When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

            Guyana — Muslim 10%

            India — Muslim 13.4%

            Israel — Muslim 16%

            Kenya — Muslim 10%

            http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society

            Russia — Muslim 15%

          • FactsWillOut

            Milosovich was getting rid of the Muzz scum before NATO intervened.

          • FactsWillOut

            I’m well aware of that.
            Do you think that this has never happened before?

      • Tom Forsythe

        I think there is. There are people who have come here from Iran or Saudi Arabia to escape oppression. The problem is, even if they assimilate well to Canadian culture, their kids likely won’t.

        • FactsWillOut

          You’re wrong.

          There is no such thing as a Muslim refugee.

          If you are a Muslim, then you are part of an invading force, not a refugee.

          • Tom Forsythe

            I agree with you more than I disagree. Malaysia and Indonesia did not become Islamic countries through conquest or persuasion, but through immigration.

        • P_F

          The prime examples are the descendants of Chinese, east indians & Japanese who arrived at the beginning of 20th century majority made it a point to assimilate (the best they could) and coexisted well with Canadians, whereas their children now ‘Demand’ apology & compensation for the chinese head tax, kamagata maru incidence & japanese interment camps.
          mohammedans arrived in Canada quite late, in 60’s & 70’s after british lost their colonies in east africa & Canada opened its door (turdo sr. acting on instruction from Prince Agha Khan) for ismailies. Those mohammedans/ismilies kept a low profile until a decade ago when their numbers start growing.

      • Tom Forsythe

        Understand, I don’t want to allow any Muslims into the country. The few genuine refugees that we will help are dwarfed by the number of invaders who seek our demise.

        • Genuine refugees can be helped in their own region. There’s no sense inviting them and their problems into our own living room.

  • FactsWillOut

    Looks like the poison of identifying a government with the governed is too well entrenched to allow for meaningful discussion.

  • WalterBannon

    If muslims take over the world then it is time for an extinction level event for humans

    • FactsWillOut

      They won’t. just like last time, they will piss us off enough, and we will fight back. This time, though, we have techniques we learned from Hitler to finish the job.

      • I hope you are right.

        • FactsWillOut

          History seems to vindicate my views.
          Mass slaughter is and has been excused in the past.
          The commies and the fascists were slaughtered, and no-one says peep about it.
          6 million German civilians died in WW2, coincidentally enough, and no-one called it a crime. The human spirit cherishes freedom, and those who do not pay a dear price, eventually.
          God made the free market. All else (democracy, fascism, communism, etc) are man-made abominations that lead to mass slaughter.
          One can no more fight God than one can fight the Sun.

          • Xavier

            This isn’t 1941 and interring Japanese citizens. The government wants the Moslems. The government does not want free citizens. They think the Moslems can be defanged and used to control the masses.

            If you’re a history buff, surely you know how close WW2 was until early ’43. The Japanese really screwed the Germans when they pissed off the US. If not for that we might all be speaking German today.

            Sometimes the bad guys win.

          • Yes, the Muslims took over many countries and got away with it for centuries.

          • FactsWillOut

            Yes, like the bad guys won in 1865 in the USA.
            The thing is, it ain’t forever.

          • I think democracy is very pleasing to God. It is no abomination.

          • FactsWillOut

            Tell that to the Greeks.
            Democracy is man-made, and it’s what Europe, Canada and the US has. It’s what led to NATO fighting for Islam in eastern Europe.

          • I disagree. Democracy is a sign of popular maturity. The trouble today is that it is eroding – the elites are ignoring the rule of law and the sovereignty of the people and doing whatever they want.

          • FactsWillOut

            Democracy is just another man-made tool of tyrants. Democracy gave us Hitler, Obama, Trudeau Sr. and Jr., and Wynne. “The People” are individuals, not voting blocks or special interests.
            God never made collectives, or “popular maturity” or voting blocks, God made individuals.
            “Popular maturity” is a progressive concept, at odds with reality, and, as such, it will fail.

          • Whoa – we are miles apart there! What’s wrong with man-made? What’s wrong with maturity of the people – i.e. their taking responsibility for their lives instead of being led around by the nose by some non-elected prince or tyrant? What is at odds with reality there? – whose dictatorship do you advocate? Your own? Since when does ‘popular’ mean collective? – it surely means ‘of the people’, a large set of individuals. Democracy “gave us Hitler, Obama, Trudeau Sr. and Jr., and Wynne,” you say? Hitler got elected, but then abolished democracy. Obama got elected but by lying and faking – this was precisely what I meant above by elites ignoring the law and tricking the people. The Trudeaus and presumably Wynne were elected democratically (due to the lies of the fawning media), but that’s the fault of the naive or stupid voters, not of democracy. Don’t bring God into your anti-democratic political views. If you read the Bible, you will see that the will of the people (the Israelites) is repeatedly respected – even when they chose to have a king over themselves, though Samuel berated them for doing so he yielded to their wishes. Democracy is respect.

          • Dlanor

            I would agree that we have a democracy of dumbed down zombies that are easily redirected by central elitists who throw doggie biscuits whichever way they want the zombie herd to go.

            This has happened because elitists were allowed to centralize gov, education, media, healthcare, revenue raising, and fiat money. All counter institutions (families, charities, and churches) were coopted or neutered.

            When the elitists stretch the zombie herds into competing lines and then throw the biscuits into the middle, much flesh is torn apart in the mayhem. Elitists find ways to make this profitable and entertaining. Plus they impose perpetual debt servitude on any of the zombies who survive after eating the biscuits. But they do offer them 401K programs to invest their disposable money in. So there’s that.

          • Xavier

            When I was little, I thought the good guys always won. Now I know they don’t. Perhaps in the long run but a lot of suffering and evil can occur in the meantime.

          • FactsWillOut

            He who wins is he who fights.
            Those who do not fight cannot win.
            Islam is simply the outward manifestation of a much deeper enemy, and that enemy is called tyranny. Islam is just a tool for tyrants.

  • FactsWillOut

    Defeatist claptrap is exactly what those who import muslims want.
    We CAN win, but to do so, we must act, and for that we are on our own.
    Even at 70% Muzz, we have won before, and can again.
    it is our traitorous NWO globalist leaders that are the real threat, not a bunch of inbred savages.

    • Tom Forsythe

      Sowell wrote a great book called Black Rednecks and White Liberals, describing the similarities between lower class blacks and whites. I think the same comparison can be made with Islam. People who wouldn’t want a bunch of hillbillies moving into their neighbourhood think nothing of a bunch of bigoted, inbred, uneducated, and violently proud Muslims taking over.