Barbara Kay: There’s honour, and history, in being old stock #elxn42

I’m not understanding the fuss about Harper’s “old stock” remarks. I get that Jacques Parizeau once used it in a nasty context (drunk post-referendum loss bitterness, implying the “real” Québécois descended from the original 14 French families who came over in the year dot, had been sabotaged by “money [read Jews] and the ethnic vote [read Greeks, Italians and what-have-you].” But as Andrew Coyne explains in his Sept. 22 column, it has also been used in many entirely neutral contexts. And what it means, Coyne says, is simply “folks whose families have been here for a while.”

  • Shebel

    That was a great preceding post.

  • DD_Austin

    Wrong Fag, err Flag

  • P_F

    That’s what I’ve been saying for years; recognize & appreciate the people -old stock- who build this country. We the new immigrants are just reaping the fruits of sacrifice those pioneers & their descendants made.

  • Frances

    For me, “old stock” means our ancestors came her for a chance at a better life. For prairie settlers, that meant a grant of land and a chance to starve to death, freeze in the winters, or die in a prairie grass fire. No welfare: just the help of your neighbours. For more urban settlers, life wasn’t so raw. But there was still no welfare: you found work or died. And that’s our “old stock”; though – on one side of the family – we’re so “old stock” we don’t know when the ancestors came to Canada.

    • Shebel

      Don’t feel bad— we can’t trace ours once we hit the boats.
      I think the English killed my whole Clan.

    • Cheryl

      A very good comment Frances and I agree with it as long as the ones coming here now have the same stake, no welfare you work or die, but when things are handed to them where is the incentive for these people to look for anything but a welfare cheque and demanding that we change our ways to suit them.

  • “Old stock” refers to the sort of immigrant who was not content being in Canada but being Canadian. It is that crucial difference that transformed droves of newcomers from people who would be judged on bloodlines or castes to people a part of a fraternity where those things did not matter.

    Show me a Canadian who is not hyphenated and I’ll show you someone who is not ashamed of his or her country.

    • Shebel

      I don’t understand. I am definitely not ashamed of my Country—which is Canada. WTF are you going on about ?

    • Shebel

      I don’t feel that I am a hyphenated Canadian and you got the fucking nerve to judge me. Do you really feel that sure of yourself?

      • Who is judging you? Who called you out by name? I didn’t.

        Who hyphenates their citizenship and why? A self-conscious multiculturalist. That’s who.

        You don’t? Good. Pat yourself and the back and stop taking things personally.

        • Shebel

          I think you meant -pat yourself ON the back.

  • Shebel

    Old Stock – for my kids would mean that if someone was ever ignorant enough to ask them where they came from –they would be hard pressed to give you an honest answer.
    I guess they could just say Scotland –to shut everyone up. Which is what they do.
    They could also say Canada– and that would be more than true.
    but –they don’t pretend to be Victims .

  • Yusuf_Al_Kafir

    Is ‘old stock’ just another way of saying someone has ‘seniority’?

    When did seniority become a bad thing?

    Oh, we aren’t talking about unions. Never mind!

    • Shebel

      Stop acting like a self entitled monkee.

  • Shebel

    So , what is olde stock for you Sons of Bitches? Should everybody be ashamed?
    The WHITE people stole the land from the Indians . Nasty nasty White people.
    Yet the rest of YOU want to take Credit for building the NATION of CANADA.
    You want to take the Credit but Not the Guilt.
    What a brave bunch of chicken shit, muther-fuckers .
    And for your info— I don’t feel the least bit guilty.

    • Justin St.Denis

      Take your foot off the pedal, You are insulting people who have done nothing to deserve your ire.

    • Surele Surele

      Nasty, nasty white people (and other nasties) built this country, so you and your children are able to enjoy freedoms unknown in many parts of the world. So I and my family can live here in peace. Just say thank you. I do on a daily basis. If it bothers you so much that Indians lived here first, and white people stole their land, you are a hypocrite just by living here. Just move to a country where the original people, from centuries ago still dwell, and good luck finding one.
      And btw, I do not get angry when people ask me where I came from. I take it as a gesture of friendship. Someone, who is asking where you’re from is not ignorant. A person who gets offended by this simple gesture, is.

  • Shebel

    Ok— I admit that I am a tad bit over imbibed.
    I will attempt to figure out what I was saying tomorrow.
    I don’t think that I was wrong in anything that I said — I just could have worded it differently. Sorry.

    • Minicapt

      If you keep it up, we’ll begin thinking you’re playing for the other team.

      Cheers

      • Shebel

        Will you? And why is is that?

        • Minicapt

          Have a coffee in the AM and then try to figure out why you were slagging people who weren’t speaking against you.

          Cheers

          • Shebel

            No . I would much rather that you tell me -now.
            I was not pretending to pick a side when it comes to Germany in todays’ world

            Tell me– don’t tell me to have a coffee.

          • Shebel

            Show me where I was slagging people .

          • Minicapt

            Good night.

            Cheers

          • Justin St.Denis

            Re-read this comment string when you are sober. I think you will see what we mean.

  • Shebel

    OK . Shit. I really do hate to apologize. . I am not even sure why I am apologizing or if I even mean it.
    Ok Sorry.
    I sincerely hope that your tender hearts get mended.

    • Justin St.Denis

      Sleep it off. You might note that you are something of an “ugly drunk” and should try to keep yourself away from the keyboard when you are inebriated.

      • Shebel

        There is a reason why I have a deviated septum.

    • Waffle

      Gotta say — you’re amazingly articulate when you’re pissed.

  • David Murrell

    I did not think the “old stock” got that much traction. The psychopatic-anti-Harper Globe and Mail started this, publishing an op-ed the next day, from some lobbyist wing-nut, and the the pro-Liberal CBC News piled on with a pseudo-news story, but I had thought the other media, seeing that this is a non-story, let it go.

    I’m an immigrant to Canada, and anyone who would be upset with the term is either mentally challenged or is on the Liberal Party payroll. The Globe and CBC News are on Justin’s payroll.

  • Justin St.Denis

    What I see happening is this.

    An entire generation or two of “journalists” hear – for the very first time in their lives – a term they have never heard before, coming out of the mouth of someone they are predisposed to not liking. And poof! Voila! That term MUST be racist! And they all dash for their keyboards.

    More intelligent people would at least try to google the term to discover its meaning. But we are taking about alleged 21st Century journalists here, so we mustn’t set the bar too high.

    • G

      This is closer to the truth. “Old stock, middle stock”, nobody gives a shit except vacuous “news” people and columnists who should really get lives and shut up.

  • Shebel

    I like everybody and I apologize to the Planet.

    • Justin St.Denis

      Feeling better?

      • Shebel

        No.

        • jayme

          Hang in there – just imagine how bad “Drunk by Noon” must feel sometimes (by 3 pm).

          • DD_Austin

            You can’t drink all day if you don’t start early

          • Shebel

            I always figured that I was doing something wrong.

  • Shebel

    Does anyone know what day this is?