If Mulcair becomes PM, Ontario could be paying twice for cap-and-trade #elxn42

Since it looks like NDP Leader Tom Mulcair could be our next prime minister, there are some pressing concerns those of us in Ontario should have with his plans for addressing climate change.

The thing to keep in mind about all the carbon pricing schemes proposed by all the parties in this election, is that they are not environmental programs.

They are money-raising schemes for governments.

  • Maurixio Garciasanchez

    What could really happen , he will suspend or cancel the free trade , that means the whole economy of manufacturing , will return back to the province .

    • ontario john

      Are you on drugs?

      • Maurixio Garciasanchez

        Nope the only drug I just had was coffee .

        • simus1

          Then your memory cells have apparently jumped ship.
          Write down premature senility on a piece of paper, make a doctor’s appointment and write that down on it as well.
          Tape the paper at eye level on the mirror in your bathroom.
          Good luck.

          • David Murrell

            Maurixio wants Canada to emulate the dictatorships of Argiintina, which had long erected high tariff walls, under a misguided idea that high tariffs will stimulate the economy. In 1920, Argentina — an economy with a similar natural resource base as Canada — had an equal standard of living as Canada. Today, Argentina lags far behind.

          • ntt1

            But Dave the latinos have such a sparkling history of Governance, all maurixio wants in his humble way is for Canada to actively move in the direction of beauty spots like Venezuela or Argentina, where the old spanish recipe for failed states still holds sway, promote your own family over everything else. loot earl;y and often before some other hijo de puta steals it before you

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            There is nepotism in Canada.
            And it is self governing.
            In both the public and private sector I have seen it.
            We know how you got this job buddy boy.
            And you’re not coming back.

          • ntt1

            I am quite sure there is, but my point is western culture and it’s spread were built by altruism and enlightened self interest that benefited all, this is a birth right of British and European cultures and it produced through its colonies some of the wealthiest states in the world. the spanish had the same drive to colonize yet none of their former colonies ever amounted to much. due to the grinding looting performed against the indigenous cultures and a cultural legacy of familial bonding that negated any trade dealings due to nepotism and distrust.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            Write it on the bathroom mirror with a lipstick, too.
            And download the movie Memento.

        • Chris

          I’m hoping that was free trade, organic, free range coffee.

          • ntt1

            Free range coffee? is that like where the coffee shrubs are allowed to wander and pollinate freely?

          • Chris

            It’s the newest thing. Garaunteed to save the planet. Coffee shrubs are happier when they get to forage. Available only in Toronto

          • andycanuck

            And let’s hope there was some civet poo still in it too.

    • SDMatt

      the whole economy of manufacturing , will return back to the province .

      NDP “economics” neatly summed up in one sentence fragment.

      • Waffle

        Be kind, people. Maurixio sounds like a true believer. He just can’t help himself. You are a “he” are you not, Maurixio?

        • ntt1

          I think he is an it, and an organic free range one at that.

          • Waffle

            LOL!! Free range fer shur.

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          • dance…dancetotheradio

            fer shur
            I love fer shur

          • ntt1

            i believe that it comes from our terrifying indian movement idle fer shur, pronounced as if after a house party you awaken to find all your front teeth kicked out; “my teef are missin fer schur.”

        • andycanuck

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          • Waffle

            “X” certainly marks the spot, but how it’s pronounced depends where it is placed. For example, Xavier is pronounced Havier.
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          • ntt1

            dang and i was reading it as the roman numeral 10

          • Waffle

            That would be so decadent.

      • dance…dancetotheradio

        and the budget will balance itself

      • Clausewitz

        Yeah, I’m guessing Pedro missed that whole part of the BNA Act that concludes that international and cross provincial trading are the responsibility of the Federal Government.

    • Clausewitz

      Suspend the FTA and the economy collapses since 80 % of our exports are to countries under free trade.

  • Mulcair becoming the next PM is highly unlikely.

    • El Martyachi

      Sure. And Alberta will never elect dippers either. The same few questions have been bouncing around in my head since Trudeau became leader.
      1. Is Harper more or less popular as time passes?
      2. Is Trudeau 15 seats more popular than Ignatieef? If yes, that’s the difference between a CPC majority and minority.
      3. How does the new seat balancing effect numbers?
      4. How fast do the dips and libs do a deal in the event of a CPC minority?

      I don’t think anyone firmly has answers to all of those questions. This election will be a nail biter.

      • andycanuck

        Alot will depend on whether Quebec sticks with the NDP again (although this time “for real” and not as a protest vote like last time) or they go back to the Fiberals. A liberal/Liberal cousin in Quebec tells me the BQ are going nowhere so that vote splitting won’t happen, unfortunately.

    • canminuteman

      My riding is a greater Toronto area small city riding that has been conservative for a long time. I am seeing way more Liberal and NDP signs than I am Conservative.

      • mauser 98

        yikes!

      • David Murrell

        My hayseed riding in the middle of nowhere (Fredericton, New Brunswick) has far more lawn signs for the NDP and the Islamic-State-loving Liberals. The end is nigh.

      • Clausewitz

        That means squat. I remember in high school the history teacher gave us an assignment to go to two local constituency offices and take their courses for new adherents. At the PC meeting we were told about the history of the Tory party, the party platform, and how to present ourselves when we were campaigning. At the Liberal meeting we were taught how to find places that they could erect signs despite the wishes of the homeowners, vandalism scheme’s for opponents signs, and how not to answer questions when it came to PET’s promises. That was the primary reason I’ve been a life long conservative. Ever notice how most of the signs for the Liberals are on the corners at intersections? That’s because to this day the Lib’s believe that corners are punlic property even though the homeowners pay the taxes on the land.

  • ontario john

    This is great news. We love paying taxes here in Ontario. Two cap and trade scams! I can’t wait, lots of money here in Ontario. Just wait while I pull some more out of my ass.

    • Waffle

      You might be pulling it out of your ass, but I’m pulling my ass outta here!

      • canminuteman

        To where? I used to think that. If thing got really bad in Canada I would go to the US. I could go to Europe since I was born in England. Not any more. The hole planet is going to hell in hand basket and there is no where to run to. There is no more trading space for time, we have to make our stand here.

        • Waffle

          I used to think that England was an option — I was born there too, however things change. While I agree that one has to stand and fight the good fight, I a finding Ontario, especially Toronto, increasingly unaffordable and otherwise unlivable. So, if I only have one life to live, “let me live it as a blonde” as that old ad goes. A friend of mine has been living for the past 8 years in a little paradise south of the border (if you know what I mean) and I’m currently doing my due diligence. There are some inconveniences and drawbacks. but nothing compared to what our present and future holds by staying here. So the biggy for me is weighing the value of my “free” OHIP. A Canada under Mulcair is too horrible to contemplate, but as long as the Polyester Princess wields her tyrannical fist in Ontario, without recall and/or revolution, Harper can only do so much to slow or mitigate her relentless destruction.
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          • mauser 98

            US used to be better , not anymore..high taxes, no jobs, police state .illegals pouring in ,millions . heavily armed inner city gangs.
            no where really to run to

          • David Murrell

            In my hayseed province of New Brunswick, we have high taxes and no jobs. But for a retiree with a decent pension, the nothing province does offer few crowds, few immigrants, low housing prices, zero pollution, low crime. I am just saying…

          • Clausewitz

            So I take it you don’t live close to a reserve. Good luck.

          • David Murrell

            Actually, I do, in Fredericton, but many of the Indians on the St. Mary’s reserve, (inside of Fredericton) are entrepreneurial, and on the reserves there are many small businesses, a strip mall, plus one big bingo casino. So for the most part they do quite well — job wise — better than most reserves. The quality of housing is decent, but not great. Indians on the reserve do commit small-petty crimes, but Fredericton has one of the lowest crime rates in Canada.

            Also, New Brunswick has about 1/3 the number of Indians, per 100,000 people, than Canada as a whole. It helps our low crime rate.

          • Clausewitz

            So where did the Natives who were closing down roads and threatening a pregnant Sun news reporter come from?

          • David Murrell

            Point well taken. You can add the violent resurrection at Burt Church, where one person was killed back in the late 1990s, I think. But, compared to the native law-breaking in Quebec, Ontario and elsewhere — things here in NB are relatively quiet. Trust me, not much really goes on here, by the natives or anyone else for that matter.

            I am retiring from teaching (not writing) next year, and we are in the market for a lakefront cottage in NB, just to do some lazy fishing, and watch the ducks, etc. No Muslims to speak of; no immigrant takeovers; little crime. As I said, there are few jobs here, but for retirees in fairly good health, it’s a great province to live.

      • David Murrell

        Heh, good one.

      • Clausewitz

        Saskatchewan is calling. I turned down a job offer last year. Might be time to reconsider.

        • dance…dancetotheradio

          Been there and back.
          Maybe I was in the wrong industry.

  • simus1

    Carbon pricing scams are outright thievery to benefit the usual suspects.

  • Chris

    Canada is solely to blame for climate change. White privilege is to blame. If Ontario doesn’t do something quick to combat this we are all doomed. Islam, Orville, and Angry Tom are the only road to salvation.

  • Chris

    Only Angry Tom could make the act of smiling look so painful. Only Kathleen Wynne can make the act so nauseating. Only Trudeau could use a smile as a boarding pass for the short bus.

    • andycanuck

      Still better at it than Michelle Obama although that’s not a very high bar I admit.

      • dance…dancetotheradio

        Wookies don’t smile.
        They grimace.

      • Clausewitz

        The whole family always walks around like they have shit on their upper lip.

  • andycanuck

    Well, we’re going to be paying twice for government-run Pension Plans so why not? /sarc