Assisted dying and the unequal value of life

Disabled people and elderly people fear “mission creep” with assisted dying. No wonder given that, despite what you may have heard, physical pain is not in the top five reasons given by those asking for “assistance” The equal value we place on human life now risks being lost…

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  • DMB

    Climate Change Scam and the Euthanasia agenda. Kill the young; kill the old; kill the weak. Agenda 21 at work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTjQO163P2E

    • Waffle

      Creepy how life imitates art. Who would have thought 40 years ago that we would today be on the verge of what was then presented as futuristic fiction?

      • dance…dancetotheradio

        In the novel 1984 your TV could spy on you.
        And now it really can.

        • Waffle

          I’m beginning to think that 1984 wasn’t fiction at all, but prophecy stripped of religious connotation.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            George Nostradamus.

          • Waffle

            Embarrassed to say I’ve never read Nostradamus.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            You don’t have to.
            He said nothing concrete and people have been reading everything into that for centuries.
            It’s like astrology or that ancient aliens greek head.

          • Clausewitz

            You’re not missing much. Just goes to show that if you throw enough vague shit at the wall, some sticks.

  • Tom Forsythe

    Lethal injection: cruel when you do it to a serial killer, but merciful when you do it to grandma. Am I understanding this, correctly?

    • ntt1

      Both must request it with a sound mind. The prisoner confronted by a real life sentence could choose death as a solution just as a failing granny ,still 20 years old in her mind is increasingly constrained by a worn out nonfunctioning body. this does not mean they are equal it just means they both have made a personal decision that suits their needs.why indeed should a lifer not be able to choose death?

      • Tom Forsythe

        You aren’t answering my actual point. Many of the same people arguing for lethal injections for the sick protest against using lethal injections for the death penalty, on the grounds that the method is inhumane.

        As to why lifers shouldn’t be able to get lethal injections, it is simple: their lives are no longer their own; they belong to us, now.

        • ntt1

          There will always be people arguing both sides,however if they support euthanasia with consent then they are free to oppose lethal injection for unconsenting convicts , i suggest that convicts be given the option at anytime in their sentence to suicide out. it would save megabucks at the very least.
          I am not at all sure if the drugs used ior self suicide in the scandinavian countries is the same as the lethal injection drugs which my vet assured me were the same as that used to put down old sick animals

          • Tom Forsythe

            Again, missing the point. The argument being used is that the METHOD is cruel. But the method is the same one they assure us is compassionate for an innocent person. You can’t argue that it is torture for one person and painless for another.

            The ethics of capital punishment and euthanasia aside, they are being dishonest.

          • Clausewitz

            Just keep supplying Bubba with condoms and make their lives a living hell.

      • Tom Forsythe

        One of the indicators that a person is not of sound mind is that they want to die. So there’s that.

        • ntt1

          sounds like catch 22

        • Concerned Canadian

          Says who?

          • Tom Forsythe

            The law, for starters. One of the grounds for involuntary committal is that you are a threat to yourself. Then there is basic psychiatry, which treats suicidal ideation as a sign of mental illness.

  • ntt1

    I watched a long time friend become rapidly debilitated with ALS , I suspect he sped up the inevitable by a self administered OD. that was his conscious clear minded choice. that is the crux of the matter,
    soylent green happens when surplus population is processed and disposed of,by a bureaucracy, the nascent beginnings of which are already here in denying treatment to the very old and the massively debilitated .

    Assisted suicide is a choice to avoid disability and choose a dignified exit . it must be a clear headed decision and chosen by free will .
    If someone is so despairing that they choose death to stop the pain then so be it. better that than the “free range ” suicide that can harm others or at least place the clean up on others.

    • G

      No doubt we will have judges who will very selectively decide (with a very heavy bias on their own personal social views) which grandma had …. a “clear” mind.

      !0 years not remembering anyone who stands in front of her? Lectured for 4 days by offspring who want to inherit? Asked two questions at the same time, “Do you want breakfast?’, & “Do you want to kill yourself?”
      Oh! Hey everybody! She answered yes!

      — Judge – “Yep, clear enough for me! Inject the old bag!”

      I also had a friend with Lou Gerhig’s disease. He was a good father & husband. He was a fun loving guy who was wonderful to be with. But toward the end he was so depressed he wouldn’t even allow visits from his family. I’m not sure that assisted suicide is the way to go. And I am furious that judges are taking it upon themselves to legislate from the bench on this.

      • ntt1

        you are right judges are demonstrably incompetent. so are many clergy what is needed is a jury type system, if the jury says no then there is no suicide .

        • Tom Forsythe

          If you need permission, it isn’t a right.

        • G

          This is a positive sign, a DISCUSSION about it.

          So many assholes must have it their way or the highway. Then all they have to do is convince one overbearing tyrant of a judge and they deny anyone else a say in the matter.

          If the judiciary in Canada U.S. or Europe had ANY integrity at all, (which they obviously haven’t) they would realize that they are merely one person behind a bench with ONE opinion and the judgements they render are far too easily influence with personal emotion and bias. This is a decision left to the electorate.

          • ntt1

            yes it is

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            ‘This is a decision left to the electorate.’
            When my time comes it will be my decision.
            My granddad had a heart attack and went to the hospital.
            He wasn’t all there but there enough to rip out his IVs one night.
            They put him into palliative care the next day.
            He never woke up again.

  • David

    The unequal value of life also applies to those of us over a certain age when attempting to access health care.

    • ntt1

      yes death panels do exist and even benign decisions based on age and enjoyment of life can be flawed.

  • seaoh

    We do not, at present, differentiate between the killing of a 24-year old with a bright future and an 86-year old who is dying of cancer; both acts are equally wicked.

    Nor would most want to change the law to reflect whether the victim was rich or poor, English or Afro-Carribean in background, whether they drove a white van or a Prius. Killing the 86-year old is not less bad than killing the 24-year old; both acts would be equally wrong.

    except liberals already do that through hate crime laws where black lives (and minority lives) matter, more than those of white lives, as Bernie Sanders found out when he said all lives matter.

    All of life is a Struggle and occasionally involves pain and suffering, Pain and suffering is how we grow, and mature and advance as humans. (no pain no gain as body builders say) The only people worse than those pushing “assisted suicide” are that selfish cowards that demand it when they have a bad case of the sniffles.
    This is something of a personal issue for me, having recently lost my father after a prolonged illness. For more than two years he suffered through pain and loss of “abilities” with dignity and courage Yes it was sad to see him decline like that, but I wouldn’t trade those two years for the world. Those two years gave my mom and the rest of the family time to accept the inevitable, it gave his gran children and great gran children a chance to say good bye, and example of what courage and strength look like. Had he offed himself at the onset of his illness some of his great gran-children would be too young to have ever remembered him, and set an example that says when life gets tough kill yourself. How dare these death cult murderers try to take those last two years of his life from us.
    Pain and suffering as I stated above is part of life as one gets older that pain and suffering can be a benefit to the sufferer too giving the dying a chance to make peace with G~d and grow spiritually. even if the dying does not accept G~d there suffering can make their death more tolerable for the family involved, giving them time to plan and prepare.

  • Tom Forsythe

    If you want to die, do what the rest of us do: wait. It will happen, I promise.