The Pope, the Queen, and why we didn’t bomb Auschwitz

Pope Francis’s recent remarks on the question of why we didn’t bomb Auschwitz, and Queen Elizabeth’s visit to Bergen-Belsen remind us that evil must always be confronted full-on. There are lessons for the world today as we confront Islamist barbarism

During the last year, Pope Francis has spoken out on a number of controversial political issues, including poverty, the environment, immigration, the fate of Christian communities in Arab countries, and the need for peace in the world.

He has issued formal statements, most notably his encyclical letter concerning global warming, pollution, and family planning.

More surprisingly, in impromptu remarks while in Turin, Italy, on June 21, 2015, he entered the thorny historical arena with a challenging question. Why didn’t the Allied powers bomb the Nazi extermination camps?

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  • Drunk_by_Noon

    What’s worse?
    Holocaust revisionism or WWII revisionism?
    This is just more bullshit anti-American revisionism.
    I had a much longer post rubbishing this entire article and it’s very premise, but Disqus ate it, so screw it.

    • What specifically do you take issue with?

      • Shebel

        Exactly. Why bomb a prison or death camp?
        Unless you were assured of saving people.

        • just a thought

          I have never heard that bombing the camps would have been a good idea. As I understand it, what was asked for, and never granted, was bombing the railway lines, preventing the trains from arriving and of course leaving. The Nazis (may their name be erased) had few rail transports as it was, and destroying any of them would have been a good thing, no matter what they were being used for.

          • Shebel

            Perfectly logical.
            I have heard this before.
            It would have been so easy to save so many lives–
            Politics reigned .
            The Saviours reap the Glory and the History.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Which is why we were doing just that!
            We were going after locomotives, rolling stock, switching yards, tunnels, and anything that looked like it moved on rails.
            We did such a thorough job that the German railway network did not recover what it was in the late 1930’s until the mid 1960’s.
            That’s an assload of areal destruction.

          • just a thought

            none of which involved trains or the rails going to the camps.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Also not entirely true.
            We bombed railway choke points that routed to camps, factories, cities, refineries, etc.
            Give up, you are treading water.

          • just a thought
          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Fuck off, weirdo.

          • just a thought

            And a pleasant evening to you, as well.

          • just a thought

            Just one more short comment…

            But you write that “We blew the hell out of the rail system.”: and yet, somehow the Nazis had no trouble getting Jews to the gas chambers.

            “From early 1942 until late 1944, transport trains delivered Jews to the camp’s gas chambers
            https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Auschwitz_concentration_camp
            Since the war ended in early May of 1945, the trains to the camps were operating nearly up until the end.

            Looks like we weren’t quite as thorough as we could have been.

          • El Martyachi

            Baron Solly Zukerman recommended this — generally though, not specifically for camps.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Some of the allies SUSPECTED they had them, and then only very late in the war, but for every death camp there were at least a dozen labor camps, and it’s real hard to tell the difference from 25,000 feet, especially when they were almost all in Poland.
        NAZI death camps, as we know them, were not really a concept the allies were able to wrap their heads around, at the time. It just didn’t make any sense to us.
        That’s why there was a big American and British effort to show those camps to as many people as possible because their existance was previously incomprehensible.
        To us, it just didn’t make any sense.
        So, in that type of an environment, why the heck would we bomb a whole bunch of hapless slave laborers when we were getting queasy about even bombing German civilians?

        Why not beat on the Russians for not making the camps a priority rather than expending all their efforts racing to Berlin?

    • just a thought

      I.e., paying lip service to why the Allies should have “done something.” The article extrapolates to Islamic terror, but I have yet to hear that either the Queen or the Nincompope say anything about it. If that’s what you are alluding to, then yes, you are correct.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        I’m sticking to entirely the part about ascribing American culpability for the holocaust by NOT bombing the camps.
        There is only so much anti-American ‘white guilt’ to go around.

        • just a thought

          Well, Roosevelt was an anti-Semite, and didn’t care, so technically the Poop is correct. But the catholic church doesn’t have a sterling enough reputation to be doing the criticizing.

          What I see as the problem with the article, is that Francis the blathering pope criticizes America to make himself look good and America look bad, while siding with the Nazis of today.
          http://zoa.org/2015/05/10284157-zoa-pope-recognizing-jew-christian-hating-hamasfatah-palestinian-state-empowers-terrorists/
          At least America was bombing the enemy, not giving them aid and comfort like the Vatican is.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            And what do you base FDR’s alleged anti-Semitism on?
            By today’s standards, everyone that lived in 1940’s America was a racist, homophobic, misogynist, anti-Semite.
            The MS St. Louis incident that was BEFORE to holocaust even started and he had American Jewish groups advising him not to let the ship dock in America.
            Most anti-Semites don’t really look to Jewish groups for advice on Jewish issues.

          • just a thought

            FDR’s “alleged” anti-Semitism, one e.g.,…
            http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14666#.VZN1J1Luq8A
            “…everyone that lived in 1940’s America was a[n] … anti-Semite. “
            ‘everyone was doing it’ – great defense, that.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Everyone is a product of their times, even you.
            I can’t wait for your judgmental grandchildren to deem you a Neanderthal for the impure thoughts you have today that you don’t even know about.

          • just a thought

            The point is, they haven’t changed. They know it’s important to some, and so they know they have to pretend they have changed. That makes them not a “product of their times” but a product of their own demented machinations.

            The pope criticizes past errors to give himself an air of moral superiority, when he is the opposite of how he presents himself.

            Sorry, I gave you credit for having seen that. My mistake.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            Between you and me.
            I worked with a gay German bellman at a hotel a few years ago.
            He lent me books like Albert Speer’s autobiography.
            He was a little over five feet tall and looked liked Gollum from the Lord of the Rings.
            He told me stories of growing up in Germany after the war, and the malnutrition I think attributes to his height.
            The two most important things I learned from him was that Albert Speer was so good at his job that he had squirrelled away so much loot and resources in the German mountains that the war could have gone on for at least two or three more years.
            And that it didn’t because the Nazis weren’t built for that.
            There was so much internecine jockeying and fighting that they could never mount a decent defense to the people they lost to.
            Hitler at one point envisioned that he would be old at fifty-two and set in place a succession plan.
            Fifty-two must have seemed old in his day.

        • just a thought

          OH, and no, America couldn’t have stopped the killing by bombing the rail lines (NOT the camps). But they could have slowed it a bit at the end, as well as destroying some of the Schickelgruber’s precious trains.

  • As war planes of that era did not have precision bombing, any attempt at destroying the genocide apparatus would have failed and may have resulted in the loss of innocent lives. As evidenced from abandoned death camps toward the end of the war, the Nazis tried killing as many people as they could or simply ran away, leaving the inmates to die slowly.

    It sucks but that was the reality.

  • Shebel

    I never believed in these silly, blood thirsty Popes— but I always Respected them—
    This asshole seems to be hellbent on destroying the Catholic Church.
    Michael Coren saw this coming.

  • just a thought

    What does the Queen do about terror? What can she do, when those who actually run the UK do nothing?
    http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/05/25/mi6-chiefs-chilling-warning-to-the-people-of-britain-we-cannot-protect-you-against-muslim-terror-attacks/

    Silly and confused article, in my opinion.