Freedom, crime and gun control in America, and Britain

The terrible killings in Charleston have inevitably put the gun control debate high on the agenda in both America and Britain. But oddly, both pro- and anti- gun control have great arguments on their side. We should all respect each others’ different traditions, and societal realities

As President Obama delivers a eulogy in Charleston for his friend, the Reverend Clementa Pinckney, who was brutally murdered in a massacre last week that claimed another eight lives, it is inevitable that the debate about gun control in the United States will rise again to the top of the political agenda. The wider Western world is watching too.

Europeans, in the main, take such orgies of violence as evidence that the United States has simply lost the plot: more guns; more gun crime.

What’s the puzzle here?

  • Xavier

    The facts are that 1) massacres like Charleston are relatively rare, though highly publicized to advance the liberal gun control agenda, 2) the overall gun death rate in the U.S. is heavily skewed by a few large cities that have been under liberal control for decades, 3) blacks, while making up only 13% of the population, account for nearly 50% of all murders and almost 40% of all major crimes, and 4) areas of the U.S. that support gun rights have significantly lower crime rates than regions with gun control.

    Any comparison of the U.S. to other societies is incomplete without taking those undeniable truths into consideration – which is why they’re usually left out.

    Anyone notice that the Charleston shooter’s means of gun acquisition is being completely ignored by the press? Even though he was a convicted felon, Roof passed a background check and purchased the weapon at a Charleston gun store – which proves that gun control laws do not work.

  • Shebel

    I like guns . Especially hand guns. I am really glad that they are illegal—because I would be in a Federal prison if they were legal. It is just so easy to pull it out of your pocket and I know sooo many people that needed to be shot.

    • Xavier

      You are what is wrong with the world.

      • Shebel

        Not really— You just got to get to know the wrong people. It is easy. You should have tried it sometime , then you would not be so judgemental.

        • Blacksmith

          If you have so little self control as to have to shoot people you disagree with then you need therapy. I think you are being provocative to try and be relevant. You are not. Ask mommy to bring you another cookie.

          • Shebel

            And there we have it . The insults that I will not reply to since I know that EZEKIAL has his beady eye on me— searching for some anti-Semitic comment.

          • El Martyachi
          • Ezekial

            Oh get over it, Shebel. Look, if I was wrong then you have my sincere apology. Perhaps I’m too sensitive about such stuff but I’ve had personal experiences with some vicious Jew-haters and it’s made be cautious, possibly overly so.

          • Shebel

            No need to apologize. Sometimes , I have been known to be a miserable prick. )))))))

    • Clink9

      Not if the other guy got you first.

  • k1992

    “Britain is a safer country to live in because it has gun control. But America is a freer country because it does not.”

    There’s something to this I suppose, but it’s an oversimplification too. We often are told that greater security is purchased at a loss of freedom. But I think that this idea is sometimes exploited by those who simply wish to grab greater power for themselves. (Cartoons or protest marches are refused permits because of “security” considerations, for instance). Does the Patriot Act or C-51 in Canada actually make citizens any safer? In other words, it is not clear that making a nation more secure must inevitably result in a loss of some freedom; sometimes it will, of course – there is a balance between the two goals.

  • mauser 98

    take out large city crime statistics and US violent crime rates plummet

    “I was surprised to find that not only Nunavut (21.01) and the Northwest
    Territories (6.87) in Canada had much higher murder rates than Idaho,
    but even Nova Scotia (2.33), Manitoba (4.24), Saskatchewan (3.59), and
    Alberta (2.88) had higher murder rates. (Okay, Nova Scotia is just a
    teensy-weensy bit higher than Idaho for 2011.)”

    private guns are banned in Mexico.. all out war there.. 60,000 dead past few years

    • BillyHW

      Idaho is also the whitest state in America, though I’m sure Obama and Holder are working on that.

      • mauser 98

        ‘read Utah was..mormons and all .still very close.. Montana also.
        Idaho, North Dakota full auto guns crimes with them i can find

  • mauser 98

    Colt firearms declared Chapter 11 bankruptcy few days ago

    • FactsWillOut

      Colt has been making overpriced crap for decades.

      • mauser 98

        Colt or parent company,fired their skill trades people in early 90’s. hired minimum wage types.
        read of 10 Colt AR15’s in 90’s being tested. 2 of them would fire. once, then jammed