Hands Off Our Guns: How to help prevent another High River “gun grab”

Brian Lilley here…

Itโ€™s been two years since floods devastated large sections of southern Alberta.

The flooding, which saw water fill the Calgary Saddledome up into the seats, should have been memorable enough for the destruction that ensued.

Instead, many of us also remember it for something else, the unprecedented assault on civil liberties, the illegal search and seizures that took place particularly in High River.

Yes, Iโ€™m talking about the High River gun grab because it has been two years and still no justice, no action for those that saw the Mounties become the breakers of law instead of the enforcers.

It is an event that has had real consequences regarding trust and the police.

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  • FactsWillOut

    The RCMP should be abolished.

    • Did they fly a confederate flag too?

      • FactsWillOut

        They’re more of the Rainbow flag Gaystapo types, I’m afraid.

        • Justin St.Denis

          Yes, and many are SHORT, and became cops after the height requirement was lowered. I have a nephew (5’5″ tall) with a small-man Napoleon complex. He is quite crazy, frankly, and his dad (my brother) knows it. Nonetheless he is today a senior RCMP anti-terrorism unit agent. I just shake my head when I think of that asshole “protecting” Canada from terrorists. It is to laugh……

          • G

            I don’t think the RCMP should be abolished. It’s part of our traditions. –BUT!!! – The practice of letting provinces and municipalities contract RCMP services should be stopped.

            RCMP – if you are the NATIONAL police force then get your ass on areas of federal government jurisdiction -national parks, reserves. parliament buildings & other federal institutions. Scale them back big time. If they want to parade around parlaiment dressed like Red boy scouts for the tourists – fine but get the hell out of Tisdale Sask., Nanimo BC and Wellington PEI. You’ve no business there.

            B.C. Alberta, Sask., Manitoba, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI get off your lazy asses and hire your own departments. Policing is a provincial responsibility. Do your own work. A taxpayer in Estevan Sask. who is already paying taxes for the tiny Estevan town police department shouldn’t ALSO be paying taxes so the RCMP can police highways in New Brunswick.

            Cities, quit being deadbeats and contracting the RCMP through the province. If little Lacombe alberta can afford their own municipal police so can you.

          • Alain

            If all affirmative action/employment equity policies for the RCMP were revoked along with official bilingualism, there would be the possibility of the RCMP returning to what it once was. Without this happening it is pointless.

          • Alain

            The lowering of the height requirement along with physical ability and even gun range qualifying happened because of affirmative action/employment equity policies.

    • Justin St.Denis

      Or shot.

      • Clink9

        Maybe crossing a legal line there.

        • FactsWillOut

          A legal line enforced by…the RCMP!

          • Justin St.Denis

            “…enforced by…the criminal RCMP!”

            There you go! Fixed it for you!

          • G

            A lot of people have completely lost any respect for law enforcement officers.
            Whether it’s politically correct recruiting, selective enforcement favoring one group over another, shameless political ass kissing, police departments all over canada have squandered the good relations they had with their most ardent supporters. Now they are paying the price.

            I guess they share this attribute with conservative political parties.

          • Justin St.Denis

            No, they share this attribute with all political parties, be they conservative or liberal. Or are you trying to be provocative? Going by past posts, you’ve not the brains for that kind of endeavour, Skippy. Ask mommy to bring you a Popsicle before you turn in, okay? G’night, Skippy.

          • G

            All political parties then. You misunderstand my post. I made it too short for the sake of brevity but in doing so screwed up the point.

            The point is the progressive conservative party of canada had the trust of conservatives. Then they became too “progressive” not conservative. In doing this they squandered the trust of their main supporters. Where are they now? Done – gone. You betray your supporters at your peril.

            In Alberta the Progressive conservative party moved left, and more left and more left still and finally abandoned their conservative supporters entirely. They paid for in the end. Unfortunately the Wild Rose Party who could have gained conservative support did the same thing and *THEY* also paid for it.

            Police have traditionally enjoyed the unfettered support of the conservative, law abiding, traditionalist citizen, often white & middle class. But in recent years stupid decisions on the cop’s part have made this group look at the police with disgust and say “To hell with you”. The cops took a good thing and pissed it away just like conservative parties and it’s their own damned fault.

          • Alain

            Now I can agree and honestly click “Like”.

          • Justin St.Denis

            Thanks for the clarification. Sorry if I offended you, but your original posting was far from clear, as you yourself acknowledged. All is good between us. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Justin, you’re being unnecessarily rude and aggressive.

          • Clink9

            Reminds me of someone….

          • FactsWillOut

            Me, I hope?

          • Clink9

            Nah, the old Ethan that met his end here with Japanese steel.

          • FactsWillOut

            Oh? And who killed him?

          • Clink9

            Not sure I’m allowed to say …..

          • FactsWillOut

            I have my suspicions.
            British steel beats Japanese steel anyway.

          • Clink9

            But it’s not the brand, it’s what you do with it!
            She’s a scary chick.

          • FactsWillOut

            Well, I look forward to crossing swords. We’ll see who’s mettle is stronger.

          • FactsWillOut

            That’s not actionable, toots.

          • I never said it was, fluffybuns.

          • FactsWillOut

            Awww…shucks!
            ***blushes***

          • Alain

            I clicked the “Like” too soon, as I was with you until I got to the last sentence which is rubbish.

          • G

            What’s rubbish?

          • Alain

            Your statement involving conservative political parties, that you later clarified in a following post.

          • Alain

            I see how confusing this is with Disqus jumbling everything instead of attaching replies directly to the specific comment.

          • G

            Cool. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Justin St.Denis

            One hopes moderators are somewhat slightly aware of such Disqus issues, but don’t hold your breath, This is Canada, and parochialism still rules the majority of the unwashed hordes.

          • There’s nothing we can do about the way Disqus works. I’m at a loss to understand how this relates to parochialism.

          • Justin St.Denis

            Unfortunately. I have had my own extensive discussions with Disqus on behalf of a U.S. client. Not the most accommodating of services, are they? In the event, the client opted for Facebook-based string service, which made me wanna puke on his brogues. But whatever floats his boat was finally just super with me. I really only wanted their money. The work itself was pretty pedestrian and boring which was why I was overcharging them by about 200%. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • El Martyachi

            I would really like the RCMP to be respectable once again.

          • Justin St.Denis

            I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

          • El Martyachi

            I would also really like a pony. Just sayin’

          • Justin St.Denis

            You’re really “on” this evening! Just sayin’…

          • El Martyachi

            Let’s not get carried away here.

            Ok, it’s the mescaline. But I’d like to thank the bifurcation of the lunar and solar cycles too. And all the little people.

          • Justin St.Denis

            Don’t forget to thank the Grand Vizier of the Seventh House of Saturn. You don’t wanna piss him off when you’re mescalining your way through an evening. The Grand Vizier can be a real downer when he’s pissed. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Justin St.Denis

          D’ya think?

          • Clink9

            A good friend of mine was shot doing his job as a cop. You lose your sense of ha ha on that subject after.

          • FactsWillOut

            “A good friend of mine was shot doing his job as a biker. You lose your sense of ha ha on that subject after.”

            “A good friend of mine was shot doing his job as a mafioso. You lose your sense of ha ha on that subject after.”

            “A good friend of mine was shot doing his job as a thug. You lose your sense of ha ha on that subject after.”

            Now tell me he was feeding the poor, or rescuing damsels in distress…

            You pays yer money, you takes yer chances.

          • Clink9

            A real person doing his job. Just a good guy with a wife and two young daughters deeply affected by the shooting.

            The guys that shot him had just killed two teenagers.

            I hope it doesn’t happen to someone you know.

          • Justin St.Denis

            Hey, I watched a colleague fall into a cement mixer about 15years ago. He died. Shit happens.

            My father was murdered by a native drunk person who was found guilty and served no jail time. Police testified in his behalf. He shot my dad seven times through the head.

            My heart pumps purple pus for you, Skippy. Stop being such a godawful wuss.

          • Clink9

            Ok tough guy.

          • FactsWillOut

            I have a few friends who died young, through misadventure or because of others. Is being shot while being a cop somehow worse than being blown up by high voltage, or getting in a car accident? Anyone who has been alive long enough has lost friends and family. It’s part of life.

            PS. Cops have never helped me, even when I was assaulted, stolen from, etc. All they did was tell me not to “Take the law into my own hands” and go back to their doughnuts. In other words, they told me not to seek justice at all, or they’d come and get me.

          • Clink9

            Whatever. It was a crappy thing and he didn’t deserve it. And I’ve been around hundreds of deaths but it still good to remain slightly human about it.

          • Justin St.Denis

            If you had been raised in Sturgeon Falls and gone to school there, about four kids from your class died every year, usually violently, on the native reserve by Sturgeon Falls. Strangulation was common, and so was carbon monoxide poisoning, and stabbing enjoyed particular popularity as a means of death. It was genuinely depressing for me as a kid of 9 to encounter crap like this immediately after three glorious years in a Dubrovnik private school. I learned a lot about Canada, natives, Canadian hypocrisy and death during the seven years we lived in Sturgeon Falls. The most important lesson was that nobody is there to help you when you need it in Canada – ever. That is TheCanadianWay as I have experienced it, and my life experience as a professional in Canada and elsewhere has only served to reinforce that impression. And because of this, I am very careful to maintain my dual citizenship status as well as those of my wife and kids. The general level of Canadian hypocrisy is incredibly high – much higher than virtually any other country with which I am closely familiar. A very high level of hypocrisy is the only dependable Canadian feature in my life experience. Sorry if this upsets somebody, but there you have it.

          • FactsWillOut

            Hmm, a loud mouthed right-wing jerk, who likes old folk music, looks upon the fools with disdain and disgust, and enjoys quality booze.
            I would truly enjoy having a few drinks with you, then enjoy some plinking in the yard, a barbecue, then a few more drinks while listening to music.

          • Justin St.Denis

            Everyone finds something about me to be totally loveable. It’s my magic. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Justin St.Denis

      Absolutely.

  • Justin St.Denis

    My wife and I travel a lot by car, frequently in regions policed by RCMP exclusively. Every “exchange” with RCMP since High River has been captured by my wife, who politely explains to whichever RCMP representative we are dealing with that “…since the criminality of the RCMP has been established beyond the shadow of a doubt by RCMP actions taken in High River, Alberta, we ALWAYS film every single moment we spend in the company of RCMP officers. If this makes you uncomfortable, I can call our lawyer. Upon his arrival, I will turn off the camera? Deal?”

    So far, no RCMP dork has DARED object to my wife doing what she does. South-Korean women with fluent English, major vocabulary, muscular builds and blood-red smiles like a knife-slash can really scare the piss outta your average beta-bully caucasian RCMP wannabe cop, we have discovered.

    • G

      I like the fact that you point out to the RCMP officers you meet about your anger at their actions in High River. Continue to do this.

      Until they reform themselves and earn back our respect they should be treated like just another gang of crooks, with suspicion and low regard.

      • Justin St.Denis

        Oh yes, we are calmly erudite when we explain our distrust of the RCMP to the RCMP. My wife even keeps a High River scrapbook of news clips in the car. She’s into collage and scrapbooking in a really weird way sometimes, but it works!

  • G

    Bravo Mr. Lilley i applaud your attempts. …….BUT…Yes, there is a “But”. By circling a petition you are simply doing once again what Canadian and American people have gotten used to doing unfortunately. You are basically ASKING a politician or judge for their approval.

    I will sign your petition because i like it and it needs our support. But I have also resolved I’m not going to ask for any politician, judge or police officer’s approval for me to own a firearm.

    I’m just going to own own one — PERIOD. If tomorrow the federal government or supreme cunt were to rule that private firearms ownership is illegal it wouldn’t affect my decision. I would still own one or more. In short, I’m sick of asking permission. I’m simply going to do it. To hell with the politicians, the judges, the lawyers, activists, bureaucrats “news” media and to hell with the cops.

    • G

      Three or four years ago when the Supreme cunt of cana-duh decided (by a 1 vote margin, of course) that they were going allow us to spank our children.

      I asked my wife a question just before the ruling. “What if they make spanking illegal”?

      My wife replied “Then both of us will go to jail”.
      “Both of us?” I said.
      “Yes,” she replied.”One of us for spanking our daughter. The other for punching the arresting cop & telling the judge to fuck off”.

      In short. We’re not asking.

      • Justin St.Denis

        I think I love your wife. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • D

          LOL ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Justin St.Denis

      Go for it. Here in rural Ontario, everybody we know has at least three rifles – one in the garage, one by the door, and one in the master bedroom. Also, many carry (quietly) small handguns since trailer trash assholes and aboriginal bullies tend to wander about alone in the woods. If you have to shoot somebody, use a silencer (easy to acquire in the HSA and smuggle back into the deranged dominion of Canada), cover the cadaver with boughs, and brush away any tracks as you quickly quit the scene and get as far away as possible. Chances are, you will never hear a thing about it anywhere. This is KEY to understanding what a HUGE and UNPATROLABLE country Canada is. Did you know that the vast majority of dead bodies that turn up in Canada every year are never connected to any other human being? And that 85% of murders annually (and they do not announce every corpse they discover lying around. Far from it! Only a small number are ever publicly discussed.) go unsolved?

      The difference between the things we are told to believe versus how things really are is quite astounding. And “police intelligence” is, indeed, usually an oxymoron.

      • FactsWillOut

        And when it comes down to it, all the energy and food to feed the citified fools comes from us.

        • Justin St.Denis

          Indeed it does.

      • Shebel

        Please be gentile because you are going to get screwed.
        Telling the truth is not exactly kocher.

      • DD_Austin

        Once again the citizens of gotham country send a petition
        requesting the Pm-enguin to restraint his henchmen.

        Laughter ensues over Parliament hill.

        • Justin St.Denis

          How very Clockwork Orange!

  • mauser 98

    done…info to go to Mounties?

    • FactsWillOut

      Natch!
      No 4th here, not that it matters.

      • mauser 98

        5th

        • FactsWillOut

          LOL.

  • Raymond Hietapakka

    • mauser 98

      mmm …familiar

    • Justin St.Denis

      Hey pussy! Your gun sure is cute!

    • Pip has a shotgun.

      • Exile1981

        double barrel?

  • Xavier

    Well, this seems to be as good a place as any to post a picture I took a couple days ago of the driveway to our local backyard gun shop. Even those in, ah, less free countries will appreciate the humor, I think.

  • Exile1981

    I got attempted car jacked in edmonton back in 2007. I fought back and broke the nose of the attacker and chased off his female accomplice, but ended up stabbed and with a head wound that needed stitches. I did get keep my life and my truck though. The cop wouldn’t let the ambulance take me to the hospital until after he gave me a 20 minute lecture about defending myself.

    I asked him if they were going to run the finger prints the guy left in his blood on a white van next to my vehicle and he told me that I wasn’t important enough for them to spend the money running fingerprints as that cost cash and since I lived they didn’t see a reason to run them.

    • El Martyachi

      …unfortunately not shocking.