“Ask The Police!” Says Self-Defense in the UK is Almost Certainly Illegal

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Q589: Are there any legal self defence products that I can buy?

A589: The only fully legal self defence product at the moment is a rape alarm. These are not expensive and can be bought from most local police stations or supermarkets.

There are other self defence products which claim to be legal (e.g. non toxic sprays), however, until a test case is brought before the court, we cannot confirm their legality or endorse them. If you purchase one you must be aware that if you are stopped by the police and have it in your possession there is always a possibility that you will be arrested and detained until the product, it’s contents and legality can be verified.

However, accepting there is a lot of concern about street crime, we can try to clarify matters a little by putting forward the following points.

  • You must not get a product which is made or adapted to cause a person injury. Possession of such a product in public (and in private in specific circumstances) is against the law.
  • There are products which squirt a relatively safe, brightly coloured dye (as opposed to a pepper spray). A properly designed product of this nature, used in the way it is intended, should not be able to cause an injury.
  • However, be aware that even a seemingly safe product, deliberately aimed and sprayed in someone’s eyes, would become an offensive weapon because it would be used in a way that was intended to cause injury.
  • Any products bought from abroad have a greater chance of being illegal.

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q589.htm

Meanwhile, in Texas, they are going back to “open carry”. Guess which place has fewer rapes and assaults?

  • Xavier

    Synopsis: “Don’t hurt our Moslems!”

    • Synopsis: you’ll be mugged and you’ll be raped and you’ll jolly well like it. Don’t make us lock you up.

      • Xavier

        It appears they’re forcing women to be accompanied by males at all times for their own protection.

        Sound familiar?

        • mauser 98

          not a coincidence

        • Alain

          Provided the males are not also raped. That has happened already in the UK.

          • El Martyachi

            Ya that guy from the Libyan night-on-the-town a few weeks ago could’ve used a rape whistle for sure.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        What if your rape alarm is of such a decibel volume that it harms your attacker’s hearing?
        I bet you would face criminal liability for that one.

        • Alain

          And of what use is it if there is not immediate help?

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            To let your Muslim neighbors know that you are a whore and should be raped again?
            You know, mustn’t jeopardize “community cohesion”.

        • Canadian

          In Canada, Sure!

        • Xavier

          Good point. .45 ACP’s are loud.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            People who have never shot guns just don’t have a concept of just how loud they are, especially indoors.
            If you emptied a .45 into a home intruder, while in your living room, you, and all those around you would likely have some kind of permanent hearing loss.
            I’m not saying don’t do it…
            I’m just saying you should be prepared to listen to the TV at a slightly higher setting afterward. You will likely hear what sounds like ‘the ocean’ for the rest of the day too.

          • Xavier

            Once when we were young my brother and I spent an entire day at a friend’s shooting range without hearing protection. My ears rang for 3 weeks afterward. Now we both have severe tinnitus. The first couple years I thought I was going to go crazy from it, now I’m used to it. (or used to being crazy*) It’s a high pitched beeeeeeee 24/7 and sometimes has other sounds too. The ears are all messed up, sometimes it feels like the floor is moving. Doctors say nothing can be done. Wear hearing protection anytime you’re around loud noise, people. Learn from someone else’s mistakes.

            *There’s your opening, Mamba. 😉

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Yep, all it takes is one time.
            My son has a bit of hearing loss from his time in Afghanistan. He mostly blames being in the close proximity of outgoing heavy mortar fire.

          • Maggat

            I’ll second that 55 years ago working on paper machines did it to me. The ringing in the ears never stops, never goes away.

        • WalterBannon

          Then, as in third world country best practices, you should run the bugger over with your car, twice, and make sure he is dead before leaving the scene….

      • BillyHW

        This all happened because we let women vote.

      • WalterBannon

        Synopsis – buy a shotgun, use vigilante justice, and don’t call the police, they are the enemy.

    • Alain

      Not excusing the Muslim element but the beginnings of this police state started prior to the Muslim invasion in the UK.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Yes, yes it did!

      • mobuyus

        I’d really rather the cops than the muslims.

      • Xavier

        Yes, this is just a serendipitous turn of events.

        I’ve waited 30 years to use that word in a sentence.

      • WalterBannon

        the fascists have been running things since way back…

  • terrence

    Several years ago a Florida city had a rape epidemic (before it would have been a mooslime problem). The Chief of Police started a program that give women free handgun training (and licensing, if they needed it – I don’t recall). A lot of women took the training, etc. GUESS WHAT HAPPENED – rapes fell like a very large stone.

  • Dana Garcia

    Some years back the Brits outlawed guns to end violence in society and the effort was followed by a surge in knife crime.

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/as-immigrant-crime-rises-in-britain-the-uk-government-is-trying-to-ban-not-guns-but-knives

  • mauser 98

    ……….Dial 911 and wait 40 minutes

    “Senior citizen Michael Woodard, who lives in a rural area 40 minutes
    from police, shot at 2 armed intruders and now he faces up to 10 years
    in jail,”

    http://themanatee.net/2015/01/20/rcmp-bans-self-defence-for-nb-residents/

    • Alain

      Only waiting 40 minutes for the cops to show would be record breaking in most cases.

      • mauser 98

        imagine alone in middle of nowhere and goons kick your door in?
        what was he supposed to do?
        heard interview with police who charged him… surreal

        • Canadian

          We are allowed to defend ourselves only after we are killed.

  • mauser 98

    Okies disagree

    • Alain

      They should be sued. Disgusting.

    • Miss Trixie

      *smirk* 🙂

      Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

  • lolwut?

    Better to be tried by twelve then be carried by six.

  • Martin B

    Q: What’s easier a) hunting down and catching rapists or b) arresting and detaining 100-pound women who’ve bought some pepper spray for protection? Answer: b)

    Constable Plod could probably work his way to retirement on a gold-plated pension without bothering to ever arrest any rapists or muggers at all, just frightened women trying to protect themselves.

  • Uncle_Waspy

    Maybe the government’s logic here is that any individual who would fight back against an attacker would also conceivably fight back against the government. Best to inculcate a sense of utter helplessness among the masses.

    • mauser 98

      you are right

    • Concerned Canadian

      I have to assume that the article http://themanatee.net/2015/01/
      is satire. No?

      • Sir Roderick Spode

        I would think so. I don’t generally respond to these “You cant even legally defend yourself” themed discussions because they are BS. If anyone is serious about planning on a course of action if attacked in various scenarios they are thinking tactics first and not some BS political statism paranoia or Hollywood crime show. Our local gun club has courses in practical self defence and most tactics involve not having to come down to firing your weapon. Just think about it some. I’m done on this.

        • Xavier

          So what does that do to the old saw “never pull a gun unless you’re going to use it”?

        • mauser 98

          police, politicians , judges do not concur

    • Xavier

      But but but with all the CCTVs no one I mean no one would be foolish enough to attempt rape or any crime!

    • lolwut?

      Pretty much, once the vigilante ball starts rolling, it may roll all the way to the top.

  • Sir Roderick Spode

    I would certainly feel more comfortable in the places where sketchy individuals are part of the landscape if I were allowed to carry a side arm. But a side arm is a last hoorah. Any one who has ever been on a firing range and missed the 6 metre target, even given good stance and no adverse combat conditions. (LOL) I would feel very uncomfortable however if these potential adversaries were similarly provisioned. In reality the opposition weapon of choice was surprise and a well aimed rock. Followed up by a beating which has lead to near death maiming. Every situation is different. A side arm would involve all sorts of requirements for training and legal entanglements. Better and 100 percent effective is to make camp when “out bush” by keeping abreast of local knowledge. ” Are there any Bad Eggs out there?” I know how to make camp in the bush and not fall prey to opportunistic predators. You guys need to stop seeing environmental security reality in terms of what gets you amped up to see this as some kind of “Coppers Hand Slapping Magistrates and Commies” existential threat.

    • Sir Roderick Spode

      P.S. If you armchair Alexanders could lay waste to the logistical foe that presents it’s challenges between you blow hards, the beer fridge and the lavatory. Undertake a bit of punctuation and “heaven forfend” a cogent POV that spans entire paragraphs. Well who knows where you’re potential may falter. You could be Heros! For ever and ever.

  • Hard Little Machine

    Claymore? Machete?