Doin It Right: Australia to Revoke Citizenship of Australian-Born Jihadis

CANBERRA, Australia — Australia plans to strip citizenship from Australian-born children of immigrants who become Islamic State fighters in its crackdown on homegrown jihadis, a minister said on Thursday.

The government wants to change the Citizenship Act to make fighting for Islamic State in Syria and Iraq a reason for losing citizenship, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said.

The government also wants to adopt the British legal model by revoking the citizenship of extremists who are Australian-born children of immigrants or an immigrant, forcing them to take up citizenship in the birth country of their parents, or parent, Dutton said.

  • Good.

    I expect some opposition to stripping citizenship of already-born citizens.

    • WalterBannon

      Who cares about opposition. Persist and do what is right. Let them leave and strip them of citizenship. Is it really better that they stay here and terrorize us instead?

      • How many people will agree to that?

      • Abu Nudnik

        Not Kinyobe’s point. If one is born in a country, how do you strip of citizenship? Where can you be sent to? My suggestion is to pass laws making it an act of treason to fight for any force not of your own citizenship. Then they can go and come back and be locked up.

        • AmicusC

          I hear Charon’s ferry is always willing and able to carry anyone that has the requisite coin.

        • Rosenmops

          You can send them back to their parents homeland. This is the only thing they will understand.

        • It might not be possible to take away birth citizenship.

          As for revoking granted citizenship and residency, that might be more possible and preferable. Send entire families back if that’s what it takes.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            This!
            Retroactively revoke the parents’ citizenship, and then use that to unwind all of the chain migration that followed them.
            Then 15-20 at a time could be removed for the real bad actors.
            Also, do the same for any and all gang or serious criminal activity for any of them.
            Communal responsibility seem to be one of the few things they consistently understand.

          • Hhhmmm….

            Is it possible?

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            If there is the political will to do it, ANYTHING is possible.
            I bet in every single citizenship request there is a clause that invalidates the citizenship in the event of fraud or for any number of reasons if it is not in the interest of the nationstate, it is just never enforced.
            All they need to do is enforce the existing laws, and then when those citizenships are invalidated, then go after the rest of the family that was allowed in on the bases of the previously fraudulent citizenship or visa applications were approved.
            Any bureaucracy has the right to correct previous errors.
            Use that process to just unwind the whole damn thing and send them all off.
            It would be glorious.

          • Justin St.Denis

            If there is the political will to do it, anything EVIL is possible.

            There you go. I fixed that for you.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Sure, it makes evil easier to commit, but it also makes it possible to fight evil too.

          • Justin St.Denis

            I remember those days, too, Drunk. But that era seems to have passed. I’ve not seen political will used “for good” since Ron and Maggie were around, and that was the 1980s!

          • I just wonder if any such measure will be passed. It also sets a precedent for anyone else who might not be of a terrorist or criminal element but annoying to the State.

          • Justin St.Denis

            It is how muslim societies operate. Largely tribal principles, but it is what they understand most readily.

          • If they wanted to be treated as though they lived back home, things could get quite messy.

        • pdxnag

          “If one is born in a country, how do you strip of citizenship?”

          It is a wholly voluntary renunciation. One need only accept it, just as easily as you would a resignation of an employee from a job. It is their choice. The Islamic Ummah “occupies” vast tracts of already conquered lands where these soldiers for evil can be transported. The practice of Islam is already openly seditious.

          • Abu Nudnik

            Sure you can renounce citizenship but the article is about states revoking it. Two different things.

          • pdxnag

            No need to revoke if they voluntarily renounce. It becomes superfluous, or likened to a lesser included offense in a criminal case context.

    • Alain

      Of course it will be the usual from the anti-Australian leftists.

    • Rosenmops

      Some countries don’t even give automatic citizenship to people born in the country.

    • Justin St.Denis

      But less controversial than stripping unborn muslims of their citizenship, I would imagine. 😉

      • I would say that of anyone unborn but that’s a different topic.

  • AmicusC

    wouldn’t it just be easier to amend it to say muslims cant become citizens. any muslims that currently are citizens hereby have their citizenship revoked.
    easy peasy

    • WalterBannon

      Yes, much better.

    • pdxnag

      Muslims are not, technically speaking under Islam, citizens of any free nation the embraces individual liberty and Enlightenment.

  • WalterBannon

    We should do the same thing.

  • AlexanderGalt

    If you can’t be happy in Australia you can’t be happy anywhere! They come weeping and wailing from crapholes that are crapholes because of Islam then their children carrying the Islam bacillus revert to type and want to kill their parents saviours! How about a simple rule. Renounce Islam and you can stay.

    It hasn’t exactly been broadcast from the rooftops, but the French president has made the 7,000 deployment of soldiers to protect synagogues in France permanent. The italians too have 4800 troops on their streets too. Think about that! France and Italy need thousands of soldiers permanently on the street to deter Muslims from murdering their fellow citizens.

    Europe is turning into a super-sized Bosnia but the mood music goes on. News of the French situation is here: http://john-moloney.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-canary-has-died.html

    • Brett_McS

      I was listening to a discussion with a fellow who had visited a synagogue in Paris; he was stunned to see a platoon of soldiers stationed in the synagogue itself.

      • AlexanderGalt

        Yes. Despite the fact that our decline into a despotic cesspit is relentless, it is shocking to get such a vivid reminder of how far things have gone.

  • Abu Nudnik

    Another option is to make it illegal to fight for any force other than that of your own citizenship. If done: treason.

    • Norman_In_New_York

      Uh, no. Volunteers who fight for countries with good relations with Australia or share Australian values should keep their citizenship.

    • AmicusC

      what about the French foreign legion?

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      Lots of Australians come here to enlist in our military for all variety of reasons and they have been doing this for the last 40-50 years.
      Some do it for citizenship, but others don’t. Some go back and then train fellow Australians. I would hardly equate them with ISIS jihadis.

      • Abu Nudnik

        Since writing that I started reading a history of Peter the Great. It’s interesting that in those days, talented military leaders and soldiers would work for many powers and no one thought poorly of them.

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          Our volunteers from all over the Anglosphere usually do well and are usually well regarded.
          We certainly do not think ill of them or think of them as traitors to anybody. They just moved up from the minor leagues to a team that goes to a lot more games and gets invited to all the ‘intermurals’.
          They come to fight and we don’t mean to disappoint.

  • Alain

    Why not do what many other countries do concerning citizenship? Being born Australia does not automatically give one Australian citizenship. As for the ones who already obtained their citizenship due to being born there, make it an act of treason to go on jihad or to assist any jihadist. The penalty should be death; otherwise you clog up your prison system while costing a great deal of tax payer money holding them for life. Furthermore they would cause problems preaching their vile doctrine to any non Muslim inmates.

  • pdxnag

    An Islamic State fighter need not ever set foot outside Australia to evidence their violent sedition and their hearty renunciation of loyalty to anything other than the worldwide Islamic Ummah. Strip out the predicate step that they go to Iraq or Syria, or to any of the OIC member countries where Islam is no different and no less evil.

  • Brett_McS

    Also, Abbott’s response to suggestions Australia should help with the resettlement of boat people in the current SE Asian “migrant crisis”:

    “Nope, nope, nope”. Reported here in our equivalent of the Toronto Red Star (with video!):

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/nope-nope-nope-tony-abbott-says-australia-will-not-resettle-refugees-in-migrant-crisis-20150521-gh6eew.html

    It’s funny, but the latte lefties seem to think this is a political loser for Abbott. I suggest his own polling has shown otherwise.

  • El Martyachi

    GPS chip em and let the precision guided munitions fall where they may.

  • FactsWillOut

    Yes. More power to the state that caused the problem is the answer.

  • roccolore

    Meanwhile, Europe welcomes back jihadists with welfare benefits.