Before Iran talks resume, map of the Middle East may already have changed

The already extremely complex Middle East may be on the verge of becoming even more so.
At this point, the Sh’ia northern arc of Iran, Iraq, Assad and Hizbullah is in confrontation with the southern Sunni arc of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States (with the partial exception of Qatar).

Adding to the confusion are the attempt on the part of Iran to outflank the Sunni arc in Yemen, and the rampaging Sunni Islamic State athwart the Sh’ia arc.

  • ProgNorth

    Good analysis of an increasingly confusing situation.

    Just for fun, we can add the northern African countries, to the religio-sectarian-tribal imbroglio as well.

    Unlike your more traditional country to country, border to border wars, this one resembles a mall brawl in one of your favorite ‘Basketball American’ cities, on 2 dollar Tuesdays, in that it’s hard to tell the players without a scorecard. Make no mistake however, this confusion will be the trigger to WW3.

    Despite the aims of some of the big players in the region, with so many variables in the mix, someone’s plans are going to go south and Israel, will be the traditional ‘go to’ fall guy. When that happens, all bets are off. The tides of East and West will certainly clash, as Israel will have to fight for its very survival, on a scale they never have had to before.

    This cannot be contained anymore, by traditional means of negotiation, or by picking the ‘bad guy’ of the lot and subduing him. Those tidy days are over.

    The outcome? Not sure. My apocalyptic sense tells me, that this may be some pathway to a One World Government in a biblical sense, where only the dictatorial rulership of a coalition of nations, with a leading figurehead can bring ‘order out of chaos’. This is not a desirable solution of course, but would be embraced by a world ‘on the brink’, if a ‘savior’ arose.

    Putting aside the theological though and looking at it through a secular lense – outside of nuking the whole region and starting from scratch, which we would never do – the only outcome to stability looks eerily the same….A dictatorial world government to bring about peace to the world.

    This is only one man’s take. However, wherever we’re going, this is going to be a bumpy ride.

    • I would fight such a world order. It may be that the chaos enveloping the ME will trigger a real military response, but I hope not an Armageddon like result.

      I believe some sort of Cold War style containment should be necessary but that is beyond our ability to make happen, the money wants Oil and access to markets regardless of cost. This is Obama’s mess, he wants done with the ME and is making his retreat. No ally will trust him, and who can blame them? Who knows maybe that is the best possible solution.

      ME fatigue is setting in the world may well abandon the region and simply act to limit the damage any spillover may cause. Europe will happily sell out Israel to appease it Muslim 5th columns.

      Israel has nukes, the only question is whether they will use them.

      They should.

      • Norman_In_New_York

        As you can see here, young Israelis are petrified with fear over these developments.

      • ProgNorth

        I don’t even consider Europe a major player anymore. They abdicated their responsibility and ability to act decades ago. Now filled with the Muslim horde and bent on left wing ideology, they’re ripe to be the first members in a ‘New World Order’.
        Obumble certainly has withdrawn from the region and left gaping holes for others to fill, including but not limited to Russia, who for the time being anyway, will certainly throw their weight behind Iran, as they have a bone to pick with the Saudis over oil.
        Interestingly enough and par for the course, is the absence of any Chinese involvement. If it comes down to it however, they will throw in their lot with the Russians, as the 2 have a mutual working agreement. China has bigger fish to fry though with Japan and in the greater southeast and are preparing to do so. The chaos is beneficial to them. If I were South Korea, Japan or the Phillipines, I’d be extremely nervous, for as you’ve so astutely pointed out, hoping that your American allies are coming to the rescue, is a fools hope.
        I too would fight any one world government to the death. However in chaotic times, people are willing to give up a lot, for the illusion of safety.
        In these times unfolding before us, I suspect national sovereignty and personal freedoms will be casualties.
        On a side note, despite the terrible predicament that Israel is in, it may be the place to be when it all goes down. They seem to have grasped the seriousness of the situation and have no illusions, that they have anybody else but themselves, to rely on. They WILL act accordingly.

    • Maggat

      Come on ProgNorth don’t you know our Savior is here? O’Bamba, ask him he’ll tell you.

      • ProgNorth

        I remember years ago, reading some of our finer ‘conspiracy theorists’ talking about a president like this on the horizon. Little did I know the damage, that one man could do.
        Time and tide marches on.

  • Jay Currie

    At the moment there is a sorting going on. Countries like Saudi, the Emirates, Jordan and Egypt are asking themselves if they can rely upon the US. When they realize they can’t they look first to each other and then, quietly, to Israel as the only nation in the world which understands the middle east without being consumed by the madness of Islam.

    Obama has made it very clear what happens when the Americans elect an idiot. Now the people in the middle east have to take responsibility for their own actions. No bad thing.

    • Maggat

      “No bad thing” you’re correct, we live in interesting times.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    What is happening in the region is more like a barroom brawl than anything else. For the last four years, Israel has occupied a table in a corner of the bar nursing its drinks while other tables are overturned, chairs fly and bottles shatter. It will take a poke at anyone that disturbs its table but otherwise remains a spectator to the mayhem.

  • Billy Bob Thornton

    But people forget to mention that the US by their Iraq war created much of the problems we are experiencing now. Iran was just influencing Iraq to help stabilize it as a result of the US just wanting Iraq’s oil.

    Democracy was never what the US wanted.

    As for Saudi Arabia, much of their funding is helping to create these organizations which create chaos.

    The US did give funding to FSA which became the group now known as ISIS.

    Those that support the Western-backed regimes are in essence support what Saudi Arabia does and its practices so it shows that the warmongers. It also shows that the end goal is a major war with Iran. Why do people on here forget to mention about Wesley Clark exposing the PNAC conferences and the 9 countries mentioned. That was too coincidental and it shows the West wants to control those nations and their resources and the people that support the wars have to ask themselves will a NWO come from this?! The right claims to hate a NWO but supports the very thing that will lead to a NWO or an American dominated world.

    Of course with China and Russia rising the US may have to deal with them. They are eating the US’s lunch.

    • Billy Bob Thornton

      *So it shows that the warmongers don’t look at the big picture and don’t care what Saudi Arabia does. Of course the West would never wage war on Saudi Arabia. – correction! The warmongers ignore everything they do.