“I’m sorry you’ve opted to take the path of submission. I assure you that you will get what you’re asking for.”

“Of course we have a right to draw what we want but we also have an obligation not to be irresponsibly provocative.” Disappointing to see this from someone I once respected. All right, very well, they must not be needlessly provoked. As the Charlie Hebdo massacre was happening, an accomplice was murdering Jews in a kosher supermarket. Must not provoke them, eh, Michael? I guess all the Jews must convert to Islam forthwith. And those persecuted Christians in the Middle East — they’ve got to stop all that needless provocation of worshipping Jesus as the Son of God and insisting he was crucified. Must not provoke them!

All those times I was on your show I thought your temporizing on the roots of jihad terror in the Qur’an and Muhammad’s example, and your softness on the jihad against Israel, was just playing to the Canadian authorities. Now I realize it was real.

I’m sorry you’ve opted to take the path of submission. I assure you that you will get what you’re asking for.”

Robert Spencer to Michael Coren


 

Michael Coren & BCF Denounced At The Stop Omar Khadr Rally

  • Shebel

    Slow down.
    I read and listened to Michael Coren’s reasons for switching to the United Church. He gave his reasons.
    I guess I must have missed something—
    Why all the vitriol ?

    • Where are you reading United Church? This has nothing to do with that matter at all.

      • Shebel

        Sorry. I guess that I missed out on all the good stuff.

        • Rama44

          I thought it was Anglican anyhow.Meh Anglican/United ? What’s to choose?

        • No problemo.

      • He might as well have.

        He’s already written books on Catholicism. He’ll have to come back.

  • This has nothing to do with what church he goes to. This has to do with his condemnation of our cartoon contest as “irresponsibly provocative.”

    • Shebel

      I guess I didn’t see the part where Michael condemned the cartoons as ” irresponsibly provocative”. I just can’t believe that he would actually say that.
      Geeze— N0—this does not make sense.

      • For Michael it makes sense. Because he’s Michael.

    • Zaba

      Keep up the great work!
      Stay strong!

    • winniec

      I hope you two guys talk things over nice-and-cool over a coupla beers.

      • Kaye

        I hope you’re being sarcastic. The difference in their philosophies is the difference in believing in freedom – or at least freedom of speech – and not believing in it. This is not something that can be just smoothed over; it’s a fundamental, irreconcilable difference in worldviews.

        • El Martyachi

          It used to be the sorta thing that defined nations apparently. Whoda thunk?

    • Indeed, sir.

      Anything is provocative if one thinks about it. It’s a rather silly argument to make that one must not provoke given that virtually anything provokes people who are perpetually enraged.

      • El Martyachi

        The douchenozzle in Crowder’s latest video compared it to yelling fire in a theatre. Civilized people have more agency than fire.

        • An irresponsible person shouts “Fire!” in a theatre.

          A responsible person knows when he is being shut out by cretins terrified of thugs and does something about it.

          Perhaps Miss Gellar should put up images of Mohammad that have already been produced in mosques and texts. If depicting Mohammad is wrong all over, then maybe these mosques should go?

          • El Martyachi

            This fire analogy can be ridden hard and put away wet.. yelling fire is A-OK when there is an actual fire!

          • Indeed.

  • “Are we defenders of genuine freedom of speech or mere shameless provocateurs, are we searching for a nuanced balance of toleration and respect or merely a gloating triumphalism?”

    Given those vibrant, nuanced choices, I’ll take gloating triumphalism.

    If someone’s threatening me and my civilization with a knife, I want to win.

    • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

      Yes. I don’t feel shameful about it.

    • FactsWillOut

      ” I’ll take gloating triumphalism.”

      Really?

      • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

        So what are you taking Mr. FactsWillOut?

        • FactsWillOut

          BM and I have a sort of love/hate thing going on. I love her, she hates me, because I’m a vile racist, or something.

          • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

            Sorry for the unrequited love Mr. Facts.

          • FactsWillOut

            It’s all good.

          • I don’t hate you, Facts. I’m touched you love me, of course. 🙂

    • I can get not depicting envelope-pushers with the same brush as people who provoke to make a point. Nevertheless, both things should be protected, subject only to individual perception.

      Also, don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

  • ontario john

    Coren joined the Anglican Church, the church that hosted and praised an anti Christian Zionist movement on the Anglican Church Journal website. It is also one of the most liberal churches in the country which is also proud of its muslim advisors in churches.

    • winniec

      Don’t count on it.

      • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

        don’t count on it re: muslim advisors? I’m not sure what you mean.

    • DMB
    • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

      I thought he was Roman Catholic.

      • He was till 2 weeks ago.

        • FactsWillOut

          Look to an impending divorce.

          • Frau Katze

            Could well be.

        • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

          I know he was once Evangelical. I hope he tries to sort himself out, i.e. seek help. Coming from an ex-UCC I hope he’s not with UCC. The UCC seems cult like nowadays. And yes, I do know about $$$$$ here in Canada.

          • Frau Katze

            Switching churches all the time seems kind of “unstable”.

          • FactsWillOut

            Seeking God is not the way to find Him.

          • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

            Sometimes you just have to do it…make that leap.

          • Frau Katze

            Well yes, up to a point. Perhaps it’s not related at all to the rest.

          • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

            I don’t know.

          • ntt1

            Isn’t it a bit like re-naming a boat?

          • Millie_Woods

            Exactly, I thought it a little strange when he converted to Catholicism a few years ago. Now he changes again, and very publicly too. He’s confused. Next stop Islam?

        • Frau Katze

          Some kind of midlife crisis?

          • El Martyachi

            He’d make a horrible tranny.

        • k1962

          Yep, read about it in the National Post.

    • Frau Katze

      So he changed sides? His defense of Hebdo, Westegaard, etc but condemnation of Pam has zero logic going for it. It makes no sense at all. No rhyme or reason.

      Just some crude anti-American crap.

  • winniec

    I disagree that it is ‘unnecessary’ to smoke out Muslims on the issue of free speech. If we hang together, they will not hang us separately.
    Coren should know that.

    • Una Salus

      It’s not smoking them out. They don’t have any particular reason to even pay attention to the cartoon competition and they wouldn’t if organisations like CAIR weren’t opposed to the message.
      This just buys into the media narrative that Muslims are being provoked in my opinion.

  • k1992

    I’d like to think that this is not a cynical, well thought out plan on his part – to ingratiate himself with the type of people who are left in the United Church, or their Islamic (soon-to-be) masters.
    Assuming it’s not, something is not right with him, clearly: personal problems, perhaps? The stress and profound disappointment of the loss of Sun News? Sheer speculation, of course, but I just have a hunch there’s more to this than meets the eye….

  • SMC_BC

    People still read Coren?!

  • Has anybody followed the transformations of Coren? I can recall at least three. Maybe that opinion piece in the National Post is a preparation to try Islam next time (of course, it will be a very “humane” sect, like Ahamadiya).

    • Rama44

      Notice that since his transformation He gets a lot more time on CBC ,1010 radio and other leftist media?

      • Brett_McS

        Bingo!

        • Shebel

          Bingo! Don’t you get it folks? Bingo!
          Far out ,man .
          What is this ? A startling revelation that all people have come around to your way of thinking.
          I have this extremely strange attribute called loyalty. You can BINGO all you want.
          I will wait and see.
          Fekk you and your silly BINGO.

          • Rama44

            Struck a nerve no?

          • Maggat

            Yes it appears you did. Good on ya.

          • Cool it Shebel.

          • Frau Katze

            ? Why are you angry?

      • Does he already have a permanent spot on CBC? I rarely watch it, so I don’t know.

        • Maggat

          You speak for a number of us.

      • That is the issue, Canada’s media is an incestuous cesspool. I do not blame him if in order to make the mortgage he decided it was best to adopt its dhimmi stance. It’s hard to earn a living if you oppose their leftist stance.

        He still has children in school etc.

        • Jeebuz that’s depressing.

          • That’s Canada.

          • Frau Katze

            Thank goodness I worked in a non-political field. And thank goodness I could afford to retire.

        • The Goat

          I do blame him.

        • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

          You’re absolutely right. Some of the best jobs are within gov’t. It’s disgusting and I’m one of them. The disgustees/ers. It’s not good.

          • Frau Katze

            Tech jobs in the govt aren’t political. You just discuss your views. It’s the industry he’s in, not the govt.

          • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

            My work is within gov’t in that taxpayers pay for my work and it is a good job better than what I could do in private industry.

        • FactsWillOut

          Maybe he could take some Saudi money to promote a mega-mosque in his hometown.

      • The Goat

        Gosh darn it, I *have* noticed.

      • Frau Katze

        That would be a motive right there.

    • SDMatt

      I’ve been watching and uploading Coren since his CTS show was a 90 minutes call-in affair, and yes, he has had some disturbing “transformations” over time; sometimes it’s as if once too many people see it his way he becomes the contrarian, other times it’s as if he’s really troubled and his hopscotching from secularism to Catholicism to Anglicanism to next week’s choice is a manifestation of that.

      In any event he is utterly wrong here; I suspect he’s gone full outreach: he’s threatened by any attack on the religious.

      • Shebel

        You are so full of wisdom . gag

        • David

          Is that you mike?

      • Frau Katze

        Could be.

    • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

      I know there was mention on this blog about Coren’s changing. But I don’t know where or when. That would be interesting to see.

      • Frau Katze

        I must have missed it. Yikes! Too much reading about Yemen.

        • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

          Comments from the readers.

    • k1962

      Eh, he should finally try his father’s religion, Judaism, while he’s at it.

  • Brett_McS

    Mr Coren missed his true profession: He should have been a politician.

    • Shebel

      He is too smart and too honest to be successful as a politician.

      • Brett_McS

        I would have thought so, before contrasting this piece with his efforts at Sun News. He would seem to be the perfect politician in his ability to adapt to whatever philosophy suits his current environment.

      • Kaye

        If he’s so damn wonderful, why don’t you just marry him and get it over with? In fact, it’d be perfect if you’re a male since he’s done a 180 on homosexuality over the course of 10 years and now thinks it’s just dandy. Now he seems to be doing the same with islam. Damn traitor.

        • Shebel

          cause I am not a pervert……
          Time has changed me also—used to be that I thought the were all sickos.

          • Maggat

            Time does not necessarily change you, I still think they’re sickos.

          • Frau Katze

            I’ve changed my viewpoint too. After 9/11. But I could lay out a logical case. Coren has not done that.

      • You may realize that this is not the site of Mr. Coren’s fan club. Or maybe you are trying to be sarcastic?

  • Shebel

    What are you people attempting to say ? That Michael C is becoming a Muslim.
    For Christs sake –not everybody has to agree with you 100%

    • And we don’t have the obligation to agree with him when he is wrong.

      • Shebel

        That is true –so why the crucifixion ?

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          Why do you care?

          • Shebel

            Because to not care is to agree with you .

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Like that would be so horrible?

            Just tell us who gets to decide what kind of speech is “responsible speech”.
            This is your big chance to win over lots of converts, if you can answer that one question.

          • Shebel

            In this case— Yes.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Then just answer my question.
            Who gets to decide?

          • Shebel

            Not the government— those assholes scare me.
            The majority of people?
            To tell you the truth—I don’t know.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Think about it.
            Please.
            What would you have said to Matin Luther King back when the majority were against him and his message?
            “Shut up” perhaps?

          • Shebel

            I guess I would ask why the media is hell-bent on brainwashing my kids into believing as the truth– what I consider to be lies.

          • Speaksvolumes

            Anyone who believes in the collective over the individual is a totalitarian. There’s no half-measure. You have to choose your side.

          • El Martyachi

            But .. but.. a nation is a collection of individuals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuYbDP2kDfg

          • andycanuck

            Well, you can pronounce “Stella” and “Shebel” to sorta rhyme.

    • It’s not a matter of simple disagreement. It’s a matter of his defense of the indefensible.

  • Speaksvolumes

    Does anyone else get the sense that we are on the brink right now? I’m in my thirties and I have never felt like this before. It seems that our entire civilization is teetering on the edge of total collapse. I am staunchly free speech and anti-Islam. I am amazed at the level of capitulation on the part of the Left in the face of this. People are actively advocating for restrictions to free speech in order so as not to offend Muslims. Is this just history as is, and there is nothing particularly unique about the present? To those of you who have more lived years than me; have you seen anything like this before?

    • Mal

      Never, Speaksvolumes. Never in my life.
      This person, and plenty of folks around here will never ever be seen “actively advocating for restrictions to free speech in order so as not to offend muslims” in this lifetime. In fact, I believe many would actively advocate for restrictions on muslims, period. Certainly as far as allowing their emigration to “western” countries.
      It is encouraging that younger folk like you at least have a sense of the cultural disaster that looms.

      • Speaksvolumes

        I do what I can in communicating this, but my generation and the ones who followed me are almost totally indoctrinated. For me it was like waking up out of a dream several years ago after certain specific incidents forced me out of the illusion. And I fought tooth and nail for some time against my own internal awakening. It was painful. It’s easier to just hold on to the delusion and not rock the boat.

        I am worried that we are too late and that my generation and those younger are lost.

        • Frau Katze

          I know how you feel, trust me. It’s getting so I feel like just tossing it in. No more reading the news. Just escapism for however much longer I have in this life. It’s just too much.

          But I don’t like to disappoint our readers and stop helping BCF.

          • Maybe this puppy and kitten will help:

            http://lovemeow.com/2015/05/kitten-has-pup-admirer/

          • Yes it did.

          • We need you, Frau.

          • Mal

            I absolutely get what you’re talking about, Frau. It’s at the point where I sometimes can’t bring myself to launch my newsreader because I know damned fine that I’m going to be dismayed.
            I can’t get around much these days, but I’m cyberhoarding some ludicrously large digital databases of everything I read online in case someone someday might be interested in seeing how it all came down.
            Good people like you, the landlord & his missus, and all the other fine contributors and commenters are stepping up and bearing witness to some appalling current events. Thank you all for your good work in revealing it and helping to expose the truth behind the elaborate political and public deceit.

          • El Martyachi
        • Mal

          Me too, Speaks; I worry for my grandson all the time.
          There is a crunch coming, and I feel more confident about the outcome knowing that besides many BCF supporters and other like-minded folks there’s some younger people like yourself coming up that have the grit to take the fight to the enemy.

    • Maggat

      In answer to your question, NO. and this current state of affairs is becoming a bit frightening. It will take hundreds of ‘Pam Gellers’ to get us going and turn the tide. We can hope.

      • Speaksvolumes

        It is frightening, I agree. I want to do something but I don’t know what.

        • Keep speaking the truth.

          • Speaksvolumes

            I’ve pretty much reached the DGAF stage. The more I speak out about what I believe in the easier it gets.

          • Then keep it up.

          • Speaksvolumes

            Okay. Thanks. It’s fucking scary though sometimes, I’ll admit that. The social ramifications can be severe. But I know for myself that I have to of be able to look at myself in the mirror and not be ashamed.

          • Petey

            That’s the bottom line, isn’t it? if we don’t act in accordance with our value/belief systems … well, it’s not good. That’s partly what confuses me about someone like Coren – he seems to have twisted himself pretzel-like into a weird shape to conform with … whatever it is he’s trying to conform with. Does he even know who he is or what he actually believes now?

          • I’m sure, years from now, you will be able to look at yourself and think that you stood your ground.

          • Speaksvolumes

            I hope so.

    • Shebel

      NO. I have never seen anything like this before—EVER.
      My kids think that I am an extremist and I think that they are blind.

      • Speaksvolumes

        So what do we do?

    • In the 1930’s there were many, particularly among the elite who sympathized with Hitler, not to mention Stalin and Communism.

      This era is analogous to that period in that the culture is teetering against democracy.

      • Speaksvolumes

        Well what do we do? I’m a young man. I can’t just sit in front of my computer and rage about it while it collapses before my eyes.

        • FactsWillOut

          Run to the hills.

          • Speaksvolumes

            No.

          • FactsWillOut

            OK, run to the hills and regroup with armed, like-minded folk.
            The cities are a write-off.

        • Live like the revolution already happened.

          • El Martyachi

            It did.

          • Speaksvolumes

            I like that!

    • Frau Katze

      Things changed a lot in the 1960s but I wasn’t old enough to realize how it was before.

    • El Martyachi

      Another too-often-lost thirysomething here. You’re not alone.

      • Speaksvolumes

        Hello, brother. There’s many of us online, especially on Reddit. I’ve opened up the eyes of several of my friends in meat-space as well. It seems we are vastly outnumbered though. We can’t just stay online forever.

        • El Martyachi

          … left reddit before it was cool and now waste enough time here to prevent a return!

        • David

          Read history. Winston Churchill saved western society. Read about him and works by him. Read Darkness At Noon by Arthur Koestler as well as The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn for the truth of totalitarianism. Read anything by Mark Steyn. Read, read, read. You are young and have much time.

          • El Martyachi

            I read Gulag at 19 which was probably an influence. Haven’t read Darkness at Noon.. BUT IT’S ON THE LIST NOW, POPS.

          • I demand that you read Darkness At Noon. It’s as important as 1984.

          • El Martyachi

            Then you must reciprocate and read “We” by Zamyatin if you haven’t already 😉

          • Speaksvolumes

            Okay. But what do I do with that knowledge?

            *can you please direct me to a reading list that includes these writers and more. Thank you.

          • El Martyachi
          • But it’s really loooooooong! 🙁

          • El Martyachi

            Long is better than suicide by dystopian overdose (writing this while on page 8 of Koestler)..

          • It has a happy ending though!

            No, I’m lying. It doesn’t.

          • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

            Good choices, esp. Darkness At Noon by Arthur Koestler (shorter read than others.

    • I’m sure we are.

      Imagine what some sap in the Roman Empire thought when senators were marrying their horses and the barbarians were at the gate. I’m sure he wished that he bought that vineyard insurance. He could have retired in Gaul.

      But humanity will survive. It’s too stupid to know when to quit.

      Take some heart in knowing things will right themselves somehow.

      • Speaksvolumes

        Yes, but what will be lost? And am I to just sit back and watch it unfold?

        • The knowledge of the Romans was not lost when the Empire went kaput.

          Look at what you can do and do it. If you can talk to your friends, do it. If you can paste posters of Mohammad everywhere, do it. Be a good example for the kids.

          • Speaksvolumes

            Okay. I guess that’s part of it, figuring out what I can do.

          • You can be some poor sap in North Korea trying to topple a regime. Think of that guy’s hurdles. He has to wear a mullet, for God’s sakes.

            You’ll do alright.

          • Speaksvolumes

            Hah! True enough. That puts things in perspective. Thanks for making me laugh.

          • Only in South Korea can he get a decent life and hair cut.

            Cheers.

    • Brett_McS

      I try to keep the distinction between the left (ie the state) and our civil society in mind. The left/state is basically a Ponzi scheme so it will inevitably decay, and that decay seems to be accelerating, perhaps in part due to better communication of knowledge and events.

      Our trick is to disentangle ourselves (the civil society) from the left/state so that when it goes down we remain standing. There are all sorts of ways of doing that, big and small.

      • Speaksvolumes

        Please: direct me to websites/information where I can learn more about the ways of doing said things.

        Civil society, at least within my generation, seems very much a part of the Left. How do you see it being separate from the Left/Marxist/state? I see them as being two parts of the whole. Without the compliance from the people, the structures could not exist.

        What signs do you see of its collapse? The fact that they are lashing out? Is the impression that they are gaining strength merely a symptom of their own knowledge that their power structures are starting to show signs of weakness?

        I do notice that recently, people are becoming braver on social media about criticising Feminism and Islam. It’s like the more they push, the more people start to push back (finally). This gives me a bit of hope.

        • Brett_McS

          I’m using the term Civil Society in the same way Mark Levin does – it’s the society of everyday interactions, of the market, of the neighborhood, of clubs and groups – as described by de Tocqueville. It’s we who create value for one another. It doesn’t need the state, and it certainly doesn’t need the left.

          Strengthening the Civil Society is the way to ensure we can survive the destruction of the left as it takes down the legacy media and whole swathes of the state (health care etc).

          • Speaksvolumes

            Okay. I have to start reading. I feel like I know nothing and everything I do know is a lie. Thank you for what you’ve said. It reassures me that there is still hope.

            I was thinking to myself “is this real?” “Is this really happening or am I losing my mind? How can everyone else seem so oblivious? Am I spending too much time on BCF?”

          • Brett_McS

            Look up Jeffrey Tucker on youTube!

    • k1962

      I’m 53 and agree with you. I’m getting scared. I have never seen anything like the times we are living in before either.

      • Speaksvolumes

        Is it okay to admit it’s scary? Because, ya, I am fucking scared. I’m speaking up though because I can’t just be afraid and do nothing. I know enough about history to know that this is how tyranny begins.

        • k1962

          It is okay to admit you’re scared. Just don’t let it consume you. I was really disgusted reading all of the comments on the CBC site today supporting Omar Khadr. But, it’s comforting to know that there are other real people out there without the rose coloured glasses on; like-minded people who read this site. And by all means do speak out. But it’s important to enjoy your life too.

          • Speaksvolumes

            You’re right. I feel like we are a silent majority. And you are also right about enjoying life. There’s still beauty in the world. Thanks.

          • k1962

            You are welcome 🙂

  • DMB

    I think Micheal Coren will do a 180 turn next on man made climate change insisting that all people who don’t agree with the theory of man made climate are “deniers”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttnXh66VL94

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    As I say: we are all less-free because of their mere presence.

    We should fight just as hard to retain our rights as we did to get them. If our rights are offense to newcomers, then maybe they should not be coming here at all.

  • Barbara

    I have to agree with BCF and the $ to pay the mortgage. The Sun disintegrated. Listen to NewsTalk 1010 lately? They have also veared to the left and are silent on Syria, Christians, ISIS. That is why hat’s off to Geller and Spencer for staying the course. The air is getting thinner. I was very disappointed to read Charlie Hebdo distance themselves. But Geller and Spencer have not shifted, society and media has.

  • DMB

    Here is hypocrite Michael Coren “provoking” Muslims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGrELW3JivE

    • Rama44

      Goes to show what a chameleon he is.. Any way the wind blows.SMH

    • However will he live that down;)

      • k1962

        Now I’m beginning to think that he’s not well, mentally. Hope he doesn’t have a nervous breakdown.

  • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

    All I can say is that Coren has taken a different route (MSM) and I am not with him. Perhaps there is more money for Coren following CNN and others.

  • BillyHW

    Hate to say I told you so, but I’ve been warning you that Michael Coren was a P.C. weenie douchebag for like a decade now.

    • disqus_W6sfZCiOd8

      Unfortunately, you’re too damn wise. I hope you’re so wrong in the end.

  • Shebel

    Stupid game. At least I was loyal.

    • FactsWillOut

      You do display a disturbing tendency to bend the knee.

      • Shebel

        I didn’t bend anything. I did trust you morons. Glad I stuck to my guns.
        You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

        • FactsWillOut

          Why exactly should we be ashamed? Because Coren decided to echo MSM anti-free speech rhetoric?

          Again, Why exactly should we be ashamed?

          • Shebel

            Ok . I am obviously on a different plain of thought—re: Coren—
            I thought you were trying to fool me. Guess not.
            Why are you all so pissed off at him?

          • David

            He lost me when he said homosexual marriage was ducky.

          • k1992

            He was a spokesperson for our “side” and now appears to be speaking for those who have an opposing view to most people here, with regard to Islam and free speech. That makes him appear a traitor and brings up the strong feelings that that word engenders.
            For instance, fear/anxiety: as a couple of people, even Frau, have mentioned – when we see allies abandoning the “fight” and seeming to give in (to dhimmitude) it is frightening and causes people to question their own resolve and whether we are engaged in a battle that can be won. So he is partly a handy target for that angst, but much of it is not about him necessarily.

          • Shebel

            Just checking

        • For what?

  • FactsWillOut

    Perhaps he can get together with Pipes, and they can have a reformable Islam love-fest.

  • eMan14

    I’m a bit late in entering this conversation, and I have not read all comments, but I get a sense of frustration and fear on some of our like minded souls, on what to do and how to go about it.
    I can’t address all the concerns, but most importantly… don’t give up.

    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.”
    — Winston Churchill
    We need to encourage each other. Debate each other. Or simply listen to each other.
    Referencing books, blogs, media people, activists, friends, enemies, any source of information will help and be appreciated.

  • Jay Currie

    Wail and Dispair!

    Coren has left the reservation.

    Problem is that Coren, while a very bright guy, owes more to George Woodcock/Malcolm Muggeridge than to serious libertarian/conservative principles. And nothing wrong with that. He wants people to be civil, as do I, but he mistakes civility for capitulation. He is unwilling to accept that civility implies condescension to the heathen and the unenlightened.

    To be civilised you need to be able to recognize the uncivilised. And you need to be able to help educate and enlighten them. Or be prepared to kill them if they threaten you.

    Coren wants it both ways and that can’t work. He’s smart enough to realize that eventually.

    • We have raised successive generations no longer able to make clear moral choices. Primarily out of fear of public shunning, of being in contravention of the accepted group-think that impersonates civil society today.

      They have been rendered near incapable of making a reasoned judgement as to do so puts them at risk of being labelled a racist. For telling the truth.

      Most of us are weak and fearful to one degree other, it takes courage to cry out that the Emperor has no clothes. Little by little eyes are being opened one individual at a time. This is a collective weakness however, the result of indoctrination by schools and lunatic policies like multiculturalism which has been used as a soft enforcer of moral and cultural relativism so the job ahead is large.

      I don’t dislike Coren, but I am heartened to see the overwhelming number of comments that have rightfully shredded his weak hearted reasoning.

  • Ho Hum

    I’m not surprised by Coren’s stance on this subject. Even when he was at SUN News he waffled on free-speech. In this interview with free-speech advocate Eric Brazau – Coren attacks Brazau over his protest of a jihadist mural. Coren asked Brazau “what did you achieve”. He ends the interview rudely shouting at his guest. Brazau was recently released from prison after being sentenced to 7 months for committing blasphemy against “the prophet” Mohamed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9KwN7QkGh4

    What does surprise and disappoint me is how many so called conservative commentators have attacked Geller and Spencer. Here is a list of some of them:

    Donald Trump
    Laura Ingram
    Greta Van Susterem
    Bill O’Reilly! (I would love to see him interview Pam Geller but I suspect he is too coward to have her on)

    So far the only commentators that I have seen who have been 100% supportative of Geller and Spencer are:

    Megyn Kelly
    Sean Hannity

  • Pray Hard

    The most Pamela did, by default, was frame or contextualize the situation for all to see. She shot the diamond bullet into the foreheads of those ready to see. The rest simply kept their brain damage. She did absolutely nothing wrong.

    Even if she had intended to provoke and stated such, she STILL would have done nothing wrong. The attackers were wrong, period, and they got what they deserved.

    Get this through your heads, dhimmis/liberals, we cannot kiss their @$$eS hard enough, well enough or long enough for them to not kill us. I suggest you pick a side.

  • B.HusseinNoBama

    “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others.”

    –Michael Coren quoting Groucho Marx