• Drunk_by_Noon

    If they remove the mention of God from their prayers, then just who are they praying to?

    • Themselves.

    • DD_Austin

      Mammon

    • Justin St.Denis

      The Great Pumpkin or possibly The Spaghetti Monster

  • Alain

    With all the international and domestic crisis happening, this is the best these idiots can come up with? It is on par with claiming that changing the long census form from mandatory to voluntary is a national crisis. Heaven save us from these lunatic fascists.

  • Billy Bob Thornton

    Ms. May isn’t a communist despite that interesting thing around the star. There are many ideologies which don’t allow religion in public areas and some are fascism, nationalism, communism and socialism. The fact is capitalism in some secular forms can ban religion from public areas too. It really depends on the direction that the public wants. Frankly, I am against state religion. I am for the practice of religion in homes, churches and areas that the state has no business. Therefore, the HOC is a state institution and therefore it depends from government to government. In today’s world with war ravaging many areas, I feel that religion for the big 3 religions is looking quite hypocritical and many who are anti-mainstream and skeptical of politicians and two-tiered justice are starting to seriously take a second-look at religion and how it works. Is it a control mechanism? Is it relevant? These are questions that people are starting to think more clearly about. In fact, no wonder more and more people are going to alternative news like RT and Press TV and internet news. People are sick of being lied to.

    • FactsWillOut

      “The fact is capitalism in some secular forms can ban religion from public areas too. “<—wrong, and a logical error.

      "Is it a control mechanism? Is it relevant?"<—Control mechanisms involve coercion. Relevance is subjective.

      " I feel that religion for the big 3 religions is looking quite hypocritical"<—yes, you have feelings, oh, so important feelings.

      "… more and more people are going to alternative news like RT and Press TV and internet news. People are sick of being lied to."<—that truly beggars the imagination.

      • Billy Bob Thornton

        Well after the Napoleonic era religion in Europe did fall and many stopped believing. So in the modern era, is it necessary to be divided by religion because I was bringing up an important point about how many that are in politics tend to say they are religious but are just doing so out of convenience to rile up their supporters rather than be for how Jesus would have acted. It is writing one’s ideology to fill the gaps. It shows it is only relevant to have religion for one’s own ends. And yes in Quebec which is capitalist they have restrictions on religion. They use capital and that in itself means they are capitalist. So stop pretending that there are variants of capitalism which do not have secularism.

        • Billy Bob Thornton
        • FactsWillOut

          “Capitalists” can’t ban anything. That’s what “governments” do.
          cap·i·tal·ist
          ˈkapədləst/
          noun
          1.
          a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.

          cap·i·tal·ism
          ˈkapədlˌizəm/
          noun
          an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

          In Quebec, the state controls much much of trade and industry, not the private owners, just like the rest of the west, which actually falls under the definition of “fascism”.

          • Billy Bob Thornton

            But the state has to control some parts to protect the public from the market. Capitalism in its most destructive form is anarcho-capitalist and feudal. As for banning, that occurs in every Western nation. Is every Western nation fascist? And yes capitalism is fascism because it also involves corporate welfare which has occurred at the federal level. Also provincial and federal governments are tied together economically. You think that the federal one is capitalist and the provincial one is fascist. They use similar mechanisms to run each economy. They use the same agreements. So to suggest there is no state control at the federal government is laughable. The state has to exist or else you have anarchy. The state also must be there when the private sector is not investing.

          • FactsWillOut

            Iceland lived quite well as an anarcho-capitaslist stateless society from 900-1200 AD, as did pre-1600 AD Ireland.

            Yes, I’m quite worried about Wallmart cops coming to my home to harass me for competing with them.

            Anarcho-capitalism is not feudalism.

            Pure capitalism is unfettered by the state, and much, much freer.

            ” And yes capitalism is fascism because it also involves corporate welfare which has occurred at the federal level.”<—capitalism doesn't involve corporate welfare, that's fascism or communism.

            The CBC, for example, recieves corporate welfare.

            In true capitalism, as I mentioned, it's CONTROLLED by "private owners for profit, rather than by the state.".
            Private owners like me, and any other citizen that wants to be free, unlike yourself.

            You are advocating either communism or fascism.

          • Billy Bob Thornton

            What I want is nationalism basically in a fascist form because it seems like the best type of system we can have. Capitalism is a variant. That is what has to be understood. How can you have a system free from the state and corporate power? That is the question. I favour nationalism since you can get the power away from the corporations and those who are the oligarchs. Nationalism is the only system which can free the nation I feel from the power brokers. Libertarianism seems as if it has been tried and it feels as if it can be either a mixture of conservatism while pretending to be for free markets? I think nationalism and fascism melded together is probably the best system. And yes I am anti-mainstream and feel that the state is necessary in any system. Which is why the state is always called upon to bail out industries. I am against that but the state has other uses.

          • Billy Bob Thornton

            And yes in nationalist states you can still have business ownership. Some even exist in protectionist states. It is really a question of what type of system produces the most employment. The question is how would such an anarcho-capitalist mechanism work? I think nationalism melded with fascism because fascism either by government subsidies, direct investment or corporate welfare is inevitable.

          • FactsWillOut

            Read “The Machinery of Freedom”, by David P. Friedman.
            It’s a free pdf download, and there are a bunch of youtube vids by him as well.

          • Billy Bob Thornton

            Thanks for the Ebook title. I just wrote it down and I will check it out. I am open to new ideas but I am vehemently anti-mainstream.

          • FactsWillOut

            Corporations are state entities, as a corporate charter is granted by the state.
            With no state, and private, free market security and arbitration companies competing amongst one another folk would be free, more so than under fascism.

  • Clausewitz

    Politicians who want to abolish prayer do so because they feel they shouldn’t have to bow before anyone when it comes to morality. They want to be their own little Gods.