Liberals against Religious Liberty in Indiana

Bigayalhitler“…Gay-rights activism is, just at the moment, very much oriented toward preventing the emergence of any social compromise on the matter of homosexual marriage, which is why tradition-minded florists and bakers, generally conservative Christians, are being targeted for prosecution as enemies of civil rights. In terms of government interest, homosexual couples planning wedding receptions in Connecticut are a good deal less compelling than were black Americans who were effectively circumscribed from public life — political, social, and economic — under the machinery of oppression constructed by Democrats after the Civil War. Among other things, the market provides same-sex couples plenty of other options. But gay-rights activists insist that the situations are morally and politically identical. That this view is rightly received with some skepticism by the general public — including much of the public inclined to support gay marriage and similar issues — is why the increasingly fanatical homosexual activists reject the notion that religious liberty might even be raised as an issue in the case of a wedding planner who does not wish to be involved in the blessing of a homosexual union. Their goal is a coercive coast-to-coast regime with no room for social compromise at all.”

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  • Uncle_Waspy

    An astute poster on another blog said something memorable and chilling. Currently we’re at the stage where saying the wrong thing can easily get one fired, socially ostracised, hauled before a human rights tribunal (as Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn know only too well).

    In the next stage, those punishments will befall individuals not because they said the wrong thing, but because they failed to enthusiastically cheer the state-approved politically correct issue.

    • That day may come. But bring it on. The blowback will be a bitch for this latest crop of Brownshirts.

      • Uncle_Waspy

        I hope you’re right, Cat.

        • Even leftists have started to complain, it is inevitable.

      • Alain

        It seems to me that day is here already. An example being people who simply stated they support traditional marriage while saying nothing whatsoever about homosexuals or lesbians have been fired.

    • The Goat

      Sounds like North Korea.

      • Don’t be silly.

        North Koreans don’t have cakes.

        • The Goat

          Touche.

          • If they did, they would have sweetened red bean paste.

            But Kim Fatty would probably hog them all.

    • lgeubank

      But once in a blue moon it works from the other direction, too. The guy who was fired because he made an ass of himself in the Chick-Fil-A drive-through line — I hold no brief for him, but he was fired for something he did outside of work.

      I think the worldwide shame he got for berating that innocent fast-food worker was punishment enough. Or maybe they should just have given him the Salmonella sandwich.

      (As Dom Irrera says, he always thought Sal Monella was some fat Italian guy who ran around dipping his butt in mayonnaise and sticking it on people’s food to make them sick.)

      • Uncle_Waspy

        That’s funny! Sal Monella must be buddies with Arthur Itis and Ben Dover.

        I agree, that guy shouldn’t have been fired. But at the same time, it’s really very hard not to enjoy a surge of schadenfreud from how badly his little social justice stunt backfired on him.

    • notmarty

      Not to nitpick, but that’s not the next stage.. it’s right now. Sitting mayors face a negative media deluge for not attending pride parades.

      • Uncle_Waspy

        That’s absolutely true for politicians. But Joe Average can get by…..for now.

  • Frau Katze

    What about Muslims? Some of them might be running bakeries too… And they’re far more against gays than the general public.

    CAIR never brings this up. It’s too early. They don’t have the numbers …yet.

    • Bataviawillem

      Happend already in TO, muslim hairdresser refuses to cut hair of lesbian, settled out of human rights court.

      • Hard Little Machine

        Somali cabdrivers in Minneapolis have been getting away for years with refusing rides to anyone who smells of liquor, smokes, is a woman, a Jew, gay or pretty much anyone they choose. Especially at the airport. And woe to he who brings a service dog. They might shoot you.

        • Clink9

          Uber should put those cretins out of business.

    • And this is where the victim pyramid will cancel itself out.

      Watch that go down!

  • ontario john

    Christian churches that are supposed to defend the traditions and beliefs of the faith are jumping on the gay bandwagon. On the head office website of the united church under the section of the executive committee, they discuss how their churches can apologize for any past mean things towards homosexuals, lesbians, bi-sexuals and transgender. And of course now they have a program for the church to pay for sex change operations.

  • Clausewitz

    The funniest part of this whole scenario is that it all stems from a law put Forward by Bill Clinton in 1993 to allow Native religions to use Peyote in their so called religious ceremonies. Indiana is just following suit in order to be in line with the Federal Law.
    The Gay Mafia, never letting facts get in the way of a good tantrum.

  • Lorensacho

    fanatical homosexual activists? Well that’s objective journalism. The Indiana law is meant to allow discrimination. That’s pretty hard to defend unless you are a closeted gay person filled with self-rage or a religious fascist with no concern for human rights.

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      You claim to love gays, but you also use it as a slur.
      Why is that?

    • Hard Little Machine

      I like test cases. I want to look up a gay owned bakery and have them bake a cake in celebration of a gay holocaust with figures of dead Matthew Shepherd on top. And if they refuse I want the owners imprisoned.

      • dance…dancetotheradio

        Matthew Shepard was killed by gay guys over drugs.

    • dance…dancetotheradio

      You mean like that guy who got fired over a cup of water?

    • It’s very easy to defend if you believe in freedom.

    • Can you prove this?

    • lgeubank

      Simply reiterating the accusation is not an argument.

  • canminuteman

    They have to stop trying to sell this as a freedom of religion thing and sell it as a freedom of association thing. A contract I a private agreement between two or more parties, voluntarily entered into. No one can force me to enter into a contract with someone I don’t want to.

    • Minicapt

      … except the GiLBerTs, for whom refusal to associate is proof of hate! hate! hate!

      Cheers

  • Hard Little Machine

    Black churches have been flying under the radar on this. They are fighting hate speech laws tooth and nail because they consider it their religious duty to preach against gays from the pulpit. And they are 98% Democratic voters.

    • notmarty

      And blacks are accordingly the most heavily targeted segment for gay propaganda at the moment. At least that’s my impression.

  • Hard Little Machine

    I want to open a bar called Gay Mohammed’s Flaming Bacon Whiskey Bar.

    • Justin St.Denis

      I’d pop in for a shot!

    • Clausewitz

      Can me and my Bud’s be the house band? We do a rocking version of Fairies wear Boots.

    • notmarty

      Flaming Mos would necessarily be the house special.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LkH-1JiA-E

  • The Goat
  • Lorensacho

    To Black Mamba. Freedom to discriminate to you is freedom?

    By the way when will you be returning to the Lakers?

    • Freedom is freedom. Certainly it includes freedom to discriminate. I’m sure you wouldn’t want a black-owned business to be forced to cater to the Klan, or a Jewish business to neo-Nazis, or a gay businessperson forced to, say, print out fliers for an event denouncing homosexuality. Neither would I. But it’s all discrimination.

      The only thing I know about the Lakers is that Captain Roger Murdock definitely didn’t play for them.

    • Minicapt

      Forced association is fascism and meant for your brother Nazis and communists.
      Why do you hate those who are better than you?

      Cheers

  • Lorensacho

    To Black Mamba. A gay man goes to the ER with a heart attack and needs surgery. The only doctor on call refuses to treat him, and the man dies. Withholding medical care is freedom of religion?

    • It’s not a useful analogy. My understanding of the Indiana legislation is that it is legal for someone to refuse to endorse a practice they find morally abhorrent. In other words, a Christian baker isn’t obliged to cater for a gay “wedding”. Obviously performing emergency surgery on someone doesn’t constitute an endorsement of anything they believe or do.

      Also, a doctor employed at a hospital is not operating as a private business person. As a hospital employee s/he will certainly have been obliged to agree to treat anyone in accordance with hospital policy. Aside from the Hippocratic angle, no hospital would ever allow itself to become lawsuit bate that way. A doctor who refused to treat a dying patient would be open to a manslaughter charge or something of the kind, if only because s/he by having dishonestly accepted such a position was preventing another doctor from providing medical care.

      Here’s a question: should a doctor be obliged to perform abortions? What if his objection to abortion wasn’t religious?

    • Clink9

      You must believe the Civil Rights Act of 1964 made life better for blacks.

    • Minicapt

      Obviously he failed to pay his last bill. If you refuse to pay, you cease to play.

      Cheers

    • Can you give an example of when a homosexual person was denied a medically necessary treatment?

      What a silly scenario you have come up with!

  • Lorensacho

    To Black Mamba ( that’s Kobe Bryant’s nickname in case you don’t follow basketball). It is a very useful analogy. Extreme to be sure, but it follows the logic of religious people being officially allowed to discriminate against whoever offends them. Besides, what’s the big deal about a baker selling a wedding cake to a man. Sell the gol darn cake and get on with life.

    • No. You’re failing to distinguish between refusing to serve a person at all, and refusing to serve him in such a way that you are furthering an agenda which violates your conscience.

      Nobody’s saying that a baker should be able to refuse to sell a cake to a lesbian. (I do think that should be legal, but that’s not the issue under discussion.) What is being asserted is that it should be legal to refuse to endorse gay “marriage” if you find it morally objectionable.

      And why can’t the gay couple go find a baker who actually wants to do business with them and get on with their lives?

  • Lorensacho

    To Clink 9. Sorry I don’t know the first thing about the 1964 act . What do you know about it that can enlighten me.

    • Clink9

      Try Google. Let’s just say the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

  • Curious how EVERYTHING comes back to professional gays.

    Homosexuals are executed in the Islamic world but if one does not get a confection from a particular bakery, that is cause for a crusade.