Senators seek U.S. strategy to stop China’s South China Sea reclamation

(Reuters) – Leading U.S. senators expressed alarm on Thursday at the scale and speed of China’s land reclamation in the South China Sea and said a formal U.S. strategy was needed to slow or stop the work.

In a letter to U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter, Republican Senators John McCain and Bob Corker and Democrats Jack Reed and Bob Menendez said that without a comprehensive strategy “long-standing interests of the United States, as well as our allies and partners, stand at considerable risk.”

They said China’s land reclamation and construction in the South China Sea’s Spratly archipelago gave it the potential to expand its military reach and was “a direct challenge, not only to the interests of the United States and the region, but to the entire international community.”

The letter said Gaven Reef had grown about 28 acres (114,000 square meters) in the past year and previously submerged Johnson Reef was now a 25-acre (100,000-square-meter) “island.” Fiery Cross reef increased in size more than 11-fold since August.

“While other states have built on existing land masses, China is changing the size, structure and physical attributes of land features themselves,” the letter said. “This is a qualitative change that appears designed to alter the status quo in the South China Sea”…

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Aerial surveillance images obtained by The STAR show Mabini Reef in March last year (left), with only one building that served as a temporary shelter for workers. The image on the right, taken recently, shows more structures and trees planted on the reef. Source: The Philippine Star

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  • FactsWillOut

    LOL.
    Doesn’t China hold most of the US debt?
    Watching the USA try to project force against China would be fun, now that I think of it. We could watch the global reserve currency turn into Zimbabwe dollars, and see if the US naval and air forces can handle being paid in funny-money, while their home economy tanks.

    • Norman_In_New_York

      Or we can declare our debt null and void. What will China then do?

      • FactsWillOut

        The only thing propping up the US dollar is the fact that it’s the global reserve currency. It got that status by being reliable. If you default on the debt, the US dollar goes way down, and you get hyperinflation.

        China is a nuclear power, and you cannot go head-to-head with a nuclear power without invoking MAD, but given the state of US leadership, it seems that the USA has forgotten that little tidbit of information.

    • Bataviawillem

      I don’t think China would like to sit on a mountain of Zimbabwe dollars, there best interest is a strong dollar.

      • FactsWillOut

        If the USA tries to project force into China’s back yard, all bets are off.

  • cmh

    just when you think the states couldn’t kill itself any quicker… who the fuck is behind this move?

    • FactsWillOut

      This could kill the entire global economy.

    • Millie_Woods

      “who the fuck is behind this move?”

      You would think they’d clean up some of the other messes they’ve got going before opening a fresh can of whoop ass.

  • China’s waters seem to extend far past its territory.

    It’s time for a new pan-Asian alliance.

    • FactsWillOut

      Its territory is defined by its naval strength relative to its neighbors.
      All that matters is ability to project force.
      The lawyers just swoop in after, like vultures to a corpse.

      • Which is why a pan-Asian alliance is necessary.

        It’s also necessary to stop trading with China. We’ve done so much damage to ourselves by allowing it.

        • FactsWillOut

          None of our business.
          If Canadian companies want to take advantage of cheap Chinese labour, they should be free to do so, maybe with a few minor import tariffs.
          That being said, I guess the rest of the far East is free to form a pan-Asian military alliance, but I doubt that the long-term consequences of such an act would be in our interest.
          Supra-national agencies (particularly ones with teeth) have always wound up doing more harm than good.

          • It’s slave labour and sometimes it uses North Korean slave labour. Furthermore, it gives cash and legitimacy to this totalitarian regime.

            Do you want to pay tribute to the communist Chinese or a pan-Asian alliance that at least has a semblance of liberal democracy?

          • FactsWillOut

            The way the bloody wogs run their show is up to them, they’ve been slaughtering and enslaving each other since the beginning of time, and to think we can stop them is not only stupid, but dangerous.
            If I feel like flying to wogland to buy a bunch of cheap shoes or cheap smartphones to bring back here and sell, I should be allowed to.

          • Well, it’s clear how enlightened that post is.

          • FactsWillOut

            Spare me the “all cultures have dignity” crap, I don’t go in for that progressive claptrap.

          • No, I’m going to unload the “this is the twenty-first century and we elevate the discussion not only by being rational but we wouldn’t confuse our slurs even if we WERE ignorant” thing.

            I think I have.

          • FactsWillOut

            How very progressive of you.
            BTW, Canada is part of the commonwealth, still ostensibly run by the Queen, and supposedly run by British Common law.
            We Brits have a saying: “The wogs start at Calais”.
            If you don’t like it, that’s too bad, at least try not to impose your progressive BS on the rest of us, or, better yet, move to wogland.
            Its progs like you who are wrecking the place.

          • All this time, you not only don’t know me but you don’t have a grasp on anything else, either.

          • FactsWillOut

            Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, yadda yadda yadda.

          • Yawn.

          • ellake

            Chinese labor is getting more expensive and presently many companies are moving to Vietnam or other countries.
            China is also slowing down a little economically, upping its military spending and increasing its internal communist propaganda. .
            As for Canadian companies, many are loosing money because quite often Chineese steal their technology.

          • FactsWillOut

            Exactly which Canadian company is no longer showing any profit because the Chinese are stealing their technology?
            Also, What business is it of ours to force sovereign nations to behave? China could mop the floor with Canada, heck China could invade us, and if it were not for the USA, they could annex us very easily.
            We don’t put up with the UN or other countries telling us what we can and cannot do, both in terms of domestic and foreign policy, and any self-respecting nation wouldn’t put up with us butting our nose in where it doesn’t belong.
            Each nation is free to forge it’s own destiny, and the window for western control closed in the late 1800’s, when the British started abdicating their empire (one of the greatest tragedies in history, to be sure).

          • ellake

            What business it is of China to force sovereign nations to behave, like China is doing in Africa?
            China may want to “mop the florr with Canada” but it seems you forgotten that Canada belongs to NATO. so China should better behave
            As for your saying that “each nation is free to forge it’s own destinny…yup it is free as long as it does not butt its hacking nose in other countries properties.
            And strangely China is butting their nose in where it does not belong, for example in Vietnam, in India, in Indonesia.

          • FactsWillOut

            NATO?
            LOL!!!!
            NATO is now a paper tiger, only good for destabilizing small pipsqueaks like Iraq, Serbia and Kosovo, so jihadists can take over. NATO is quaking in it’s boots about Iran, and you think they would go after China?
            What are you smoking?
            The west can’t even handle a few hundred thousand irregulars in Iraq and Syria.
            The fact is, the BRIC is now on par with the west as far as military strength is concerned, and they far surpass us in the willingness and ability to use said strength.

          • ellake

            “NATO is now a paper tiger”
            that’s according to you
            As for the rest ….you take wishes for reality

          • FactsWillOut

            Let me know when NATO actually succeeds in taking a Nation, and holding it for say, a decade.
            NATO and Kosovo, NATO and Libya, NATO and Afghanistan, NATO and Iraq, NATO and Ivory Coast.
            You, like most pussified westerners, think you can beat expansionism by point application of force.
            This is patently untrue, and demonstrably so.
            If you want to stop a given nation from expanding, the only way to do it is to deny them the territory by occupying it.
            Seems all the military maxims went out the window in the 50’s.

          • ellake

            yawn

          • FactsWillOut

            Nothing to actually deny my assertions, I see.
            No facts, just moral posturing.
            This is the typical brainwashed attitude that is helping to destroy the west.

          • ellake

            yawn

          • FactsWillOut

            Yes, we all know how a strong military is a bad thing for a culture.
            You preen and posture, while at the same time don’t seem to think that Canada should go nuclear.
            We could have ICBM’s in a year, and nuclear subs in less than 5, if we had our priorities straight.
            Instead, we disbanded our elite fighting force, and cut military spending, while importing more of those Muslims.
            Oh, the west *was* white.
            No longer, though, and that too, is part of our downfall.

          • ellake

            “We all know how strong military is a bad thing for a culture”,.
            Somehow I did not know about it, thank you for telling me a thing about myself which is a news to me.
            So, who is that “we”….. you?

          • FactsWillOut

            The fact is, if you want Canada to do anything about China, Canada needs to grow a pair.
            The US is already beholden to China with it’s huge debt.
            All the preening and posturing in the world means nothing at all.
            NOTHING.
            All that matters is the ability to project force in a meaningful way. THAT’S ALL.
            I suggest you actually spend some time studying military history.
            Start with the American civil war, and the European connections to it, then look into the Boer Wars, the Crimean War, the American Revolution, and its European connections, then maybe look into the formation of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the British Empire, and how all that came crashing down in WW1, and how we are essentially still fighting that war, and probably will be for another century. The power vacuums left after those 4 Empires collapsed has not been filled, and we are still scrabbling in the wreckage of that catastrophe, but most folk don’t seem to appreciate this fact.
            The silly EU thought they could fill the shoes of Empire with bureaucracy, and the rest of the west seems to agree.
            They are mistaken, and they will learn the hard way if they don’t wake up.

          • ellake

            yawn

          • FactsWillOut

            Yeah, history is hard, preening is easy.
            Well done.

          • DVult

            It is the ability to project force and the will to do so I believe. Force without will is useless as soon as the enemy recognizes that your force will stay in the barn. Will without ability is just pathetic.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    I thought that global warming is submerging these islands.

    • Frau Katze

      That would solve things nicely. But they’re still there.

  • eMan14

    We feed the Chinese military by setting up companies there and buying those goods. If we are not willing to anything about that. We have no reason to complain about Chinese expansionism.

    • ellake

      Westerners did set up companies in China and bought goods from China, so what? We also set up companies in Japan and bought goods from Japan. Strangely, Japan politics and military is not expansionist, as is Chinese politics.
      Taking that into consideration, it seems that Chinese expansionism is their own fault and we have right to complain about it.

      • FactsWillOut

        We can whine all we like.
        They have nukes and ICBM delivery systems, a military that dwarfs ours. There is nothing at all Canada can do about a nuclear superpower’s expansionism.
        Canada wouldn’t exist if it were not for British expansionism, same goes for the USA , Australia, Belize, Bermuda…
        The west have become moribund navel-gazers, incapable of mounting a sustained campaign, and the rest of the world is slowly coming to realize this.
        If Canada really gave a rat’s ass about geopolitics, we would have a nuclear arsenal, aircraft carriers, etc.

        • ellake

          “We can whine all we like”
          “We”? Who are “we”?

          • FactsWillOut

            Canadians.
            NATO even.
            China can beat NATO in it’s own back yard.

          • ellake

            According to communist China, but hey, we will see how well they will beat NATO after all technical and medical western books dissapear from Chinese Universities, as per Xi order.

          • FactsWillOut

            Whatever.
            Don’t need those texts to win a war, just need lots of ordinance and folk trained to use it.

          • ellake

            Aha, so why Xi Mingze was studying in Harvard, perhaps because “don’t need those text to win” , right?

          • FactsWillOut

            Really???
            Are you actually suggesting that because he studied at Harvard, that he cannot prosecute an effective campaign?
            Wow.
            Perhaps you should study the Ancient Greek and Roman Empires, and the Mongols, as well.

          • ellake

            He? Who say “he”? In fact “he” is a “she”
            As for the rest…yawn

      • eMan14

        That’s my point. China is expansionist. With a huge part of the western world’s manufacturing, and all the money and technology that comes with that… what’s going to stop them? China was not defeated militarily as was Japan. And the Japanese military had controls forced upon it by the west after that defeat.
        No such controls were put on China,. And now, as FactsWillOut has stated, they are not only a nuclear superpower, but an economic superpower.

        • FactsWillOut

          I think the Japanese have started their own military build up, in defiance of the post ww2 agreements.
          Can’t say I blame them.

          • eMan14

            That is to be expected. I’m not surprised by the reports.

        • ellake

          They seem like economic superpower, but that is somewhat premature.

          • FactsWillOut

            What?

            http://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2014-data-and-charts

            Second biggest economy on the face of the Earth, still growing by over 7% a year.

          • ellake

            hihi, las year they were supposed to grow 8%, now is 7%, what next?

          • FactsWillOut

            It’s still 3-4 times faster than Canada or the US.
            Plus, as I said, the second biggest economy on the Earth.
            Plus, they have nukes, LEO ability, and so on.
            You want to compete with them, then we need to seriously ramp up military spending.

    • FactsWillOut

      The Chinese feed our military by having companies here, paying taxes to our governments.
      So, what’s your point?
      Should we put sanctions on China?
      Kick out their companies and have our government seize their assets?
      China is much better than our allies Qatar and the Saudis, but then again, so is Russia.

      • ellake

        “China is much better than our allies Qatar and the Saudis, but then again, so is Russia.”
        Communist China is better than Qatar and Saudis? Are you for real?
        C

        • FactsWillOut

          yep.
          Qatar and the Saudis are spreading Islam, even to our shores.
          Also, they are Sharia pestholes that like to enslave folk, lop off heads of apostates, and bundle women up in garbage bags.
          By any measure, be it domestic or foreign policy, Qatar and the Saudis are a bigger threat to Canada than Russia or China.

          • ellake

            Russia is no big threat, or rather it is less of a threat than it imagines itself.
            On the other hand China is a big threat, much bigger then Russia who is becoming economically dependent on China.
            China is conventional threat.
            Qatar or Iran or Saudi Arabia are also a threat, but they are unconventional threat, they are ideological/religious threat, not conventional,

          • FactsWillOut

            Oh, has China done any belligerent military posturing against Canada?

          • ellake

            Has Qatar done any belligerent military posturing against Canada?

          • FactsWillOut

            Yes.
            They sent money and weapons to ISIS, who we are actively engaged with, also they are funding international jihad in many counties.

          • ellake

            You mean Qatar is at war with Canada?
            It Qatar is not at war then I do not see the difference betwn both countries.
            Both have agents of influence in Canada so what is the difference?

          • FactsWillOut

            Yes, both Qatar and the Saudis are at war with Canada.
            They are both directly responsible for the deaths of Canadian citizens and soldiers.

          • ellake

            As a matter of fact so are Iranians.
            Are we at war with Iran?

          • FactsWillOut

            Well, Iran is at war with us, so far, all we’ve done is fold like a cheap umbrella, mouthing platitudes about their “moderate” president.

          • FactsWillOut

            You’re obviously retarded.
            Militarily, Russia is tougher than China.
            Economically, China is stronger than Russia.
            All threats involve firing weapons at us, be it in street riots, a subtle coup to get our own forces to fire on us, a full scale invasion, whatever.
            Yet here you are, dogmatically asserting threat types and levels, in complete ignorance of military history, and the roles of the military sectors.
            Keep yawning.

  • FactsWillOut

    Looks like most folk have gone off the deep end, thinking the west can “fix” the entire planet.
    If we stop China, than Islam and Russia expand.
    We (the west/NATO) could, if we focus our resources (read get our heads out of our asses and start making some real military power), stop one of these groups from expanding.
    Myself, I see Islam as a bigger threat, hell, they’ve already had jihadists murder a Canadian soldier on Canadian soil.
    Of course, most folk just parrot what the MSM tells them is the biggest threat.

    • ellake

      and some people parrot what Russian/leftards propaganda tells them and take it for the truth.

      • FactsWillOut

        Oh, and what leftard line, exactly, did I parrot?
        It’s you who is doing all the moral posturing about what other nations should or should not do, when you are a citizen of a country that cannot do squat about any of it at all. You’re like some punk in Iceland who thinks some country in Africa needs to be taught a lesson for invading its neighbour.

        Do you even know how war actually works?
        Hint, it’s not what we did in Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya.
        What we did in Korea, and to a lesser extent, Cypress is what real war is like.
        Bombing a place to the bedrock isn’t war, it’s just a game played by cowards to look like they’re doing something useful, when in fact, they are not.
        You should also look up the roles of different aspects of the military, like the role of air power, special forces, infantry, artillery, and so on.
        A war uses all of them, to one degree or another.