Harper’s terror talk could drive terrorist recruitment: ex-CSIS operative

Nine years ago, a group of radicalized youth in Ontario hatched a plan to blow up the CN Tower, attack the CBC headquarters and storm the Parliament buildings.

The so-called Toronto 18 didn’t get very far. A high-profile member of the Islamic community named Mubin Shaikh was concerned about violent extremism and approached CSIS to offer his help infiltrating groups like this.

With his assistance, up to 200 officers monitored the group at their makeshift training camp north of Toronto. When the police finally arrested them, the group had one illegal handgun between them and more than a tonne of fake fertilizer the RCMP had sold them as bomb-making material.

This successful operation stands in stark contrast to the wretchedly bungled Air India investigation. A series of culturally inept blunders by the RCMP and CSIS, who lacked a single agent who spoke Punjabi, resulted in the deaths of 329 people in 1985 — the worst terrorist event in Canada’s history…

…Stephen Harper’s overheated rhetoric on so-called jihadi threats is making our country more dangerous, not more safe. His recent election-style speech unveiling Bill C-51, Canada’s new anti-terror legislation, referenced ‘jihad’ 15 times. A month earlier he stated that “an international jihadist movement” had declared war on Canada…


The Air India attack investigation was well and truly bungled. Fortunately, it appears to have been a one-off event whose target was not Canada but India. It was more like how citizens of Irish descent in the North America would support the IRA in Northern Ireland: an ethnic squabble based elsewhere but carried here.  But such squabbles are by definition restricted to the players involved.

The Islamic attacks are very different: they are clearly targeted at the West. We are the enemy here. That is why there is a word “Islamophobia” but no “Sikhophobia.”

Yet it is true that expanding police powers, especially over free speech, is a very slippery slope. The government can never control foreign sites based in the Middle East (unless it turns truly draconian, in the manner of Iran or North Korea).

And I would say that it is better to let people have their say loud and clear: trying to silence them will not change their thinking but it will make the public much less aware that they even exist.

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  • WalterBannon

    “…Stephen Harper’s overheated rhetoric on so-called jihadi threats is making our country more dangerous, not more safe.”

    ——————

    Her short skirts and going out in public without being accompanied by a male relative is why she was raped.

    SAME THINKING – BLAME THE VICTIM

    Harper’s “overheated” rhetoric. Bah Humbug. You want overheated rhetoric read my comments about muslims, not the tame stuff coming from Harper.

    Second point, speaking the truth to the public about the threat of Islam is not to blame for terrorist threats. Harper is not the one who is attacking Canada. That choice is made by muslims. If they can not control their behavior then they are not suitable for inclusion in western society AND SHOULD BE BANNED from here.

    Furthermore, if the alternative to terror is for us to shut up and not be free to express our self then the terrorists HAVE ALREADY WON. What is next, demand that we all eat halal, that we do not blaspheme, that our women wear burkas, and we all pay to be allowed to live? Ah, right, that is already happening.

    BAN ISLAM

    DEPORT ALL MUSLIMS.

    It is the only solution short of war. It is no different from a restraining order for a rapist. They can’t control themselves around us and threaten us, so they can’t come within 100 miles of us. What could be more fair than this?

    • Mubin is always good for a laugh.

    • FactsWillOut

      Myself, I’m not averse to train sets and…showers.

  • winniec

    Not discussing the jihad doctrine makes us safer? What? Not alerting the public makes us safe? To the contrary a well-informed public will catch jihadists before they strike. A well-informed public will take years to teach since Libtarded morons like the author of the opinion piece are trying to hide the facts and doctrine of jihad.

    • occupant 9

      Under the Pact of Omar, which largely informs the Shari’a, dhimmis are forbidden from understanding and/or studying the ideology of Islam. The idea here is stealth Shari’a that we don’t even know we’re acquiescing to until it becomes the norm; and Islamic terror will still, confoundedly, continue.

      Dr. Bill Warner has a video that aims true when dealing with Muslims and only Muslims, as Muslims and only Muslims deal with non-Muslims as only Muslims can.

      Here is our only rational response to Muslms living among us. We need to do unto them (only them) what they do unto us (all of us).

      http://www.politicalislam.com/muslim-dhimmi/

      • Frau Katze

        Good point. Thanks for mentioning it. Harper is actually accommodating them.

    • lolwut?

      The whole ISIS thing is popped out of nowhere and driving full speed ahead
      with an awesome online campaign.

      CSIS is shitting themselves and they know deep down inside that they themselves can become a target at any time.

  • FactsWillOut

    “……Stephen Harper’s overheated importation of jihadi threats is making our country more dangerous, not more safe.”

    Fixed it for you.

    • occupant 9

      Bingo! That we’ve over-abundantly increased our Muslim immigrant population far beyond the rational understanding of self-preservation, under Harper, is the “root cause” of the problem.

    • k

      If there are MORE people lobbying FOR immigration = Harper is democratically obedient.
      I do not see that the Islamists have seen the need to ‘update their ideology’
      also…
      …. jobs…?…eh hemmm… Oh WHO needs jobs!..??
      The spin doctors are already spinning the glorious world of temp jobs and that it is the new world = ‘We all just have to deal with it’ = deplorable
      Every country is busy trying to download THEIR EMPLOYMENT PROBLEMS on someone else’s country
      jobs & people = little off balance to allow for negotiation
      TOO MANY PEOPLE & very little jobs = SECURITY RISK!
      TOO MANY PEOPLE WITH A VIOLENT BELIEF SYSTEM IMMIGRATING INTO CANADA = SECURITY RISK …. can we afford the security price tag just to satisfy our ideology of ‘welcoming all equally’

  • John Petro

    The quran, sunnah, and hadiths prescribe evil acts against non-muslims and muhammad, the supposedly perfect example according to Islam was a child raping murdering invader. Islamists were around long before Canada ever existed.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    It’s almost a mantra of leftists that fighting or combatting ANYTHING will cause more of it.
    Using their logic, fighting WWII should have turned all of Europe into Nazis by 1945.
    They say these things because they are fearful Harper’s words and actions will be effective and they are in support of the jihadists because they share a common enemy, US!
    ALL OF US!

    • Rosenmops

      Imagine Churchill tiptoeing around trying to find the “root cause” of Hitler and being careful not to hurt nazi feelings.

      • FactsWillOut

        We don’t need to imagine, it happened just after 9/11.
        Imagine FDR giving a speech about our “peaceful Japanese brothers and sisters” while Pearl Harbor was still smoking in 1941.
        This is precisely what GWB did just days after 9/11, in fact, he coined the whole “Islam is Peace” meme while the Twin Towers were still smoking.

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          Yep, and that was his unforgivable sin that will forever stain his presidency and erase any legacy.

          • FactsWillOut

            Yep.
            Imagine if he had said “This is the result of Islam! This is what is being taught in mosques! These people are the enemy of any civilized people, and must be destroyed!”.
            The world would be a brighter place now.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Hitler would say: “The Jooos!!!”
        Then what would Churchill do?

    • k

      yup… I just had that discussion with a raging lefty
      “Well if we stopped bombing them they would not do this”
      I said “They are terrorizing everywhere…Thailand, Philippines, China, Russia,…blah blah”
      =gobsmacked
      At the end of the day… the Left have to stop their racism! …
      and accept…
      that their idea of the underdog… does not view itself as …
      the underdog and needing a hand up and …
      that they view us as the uninformed underdog, needing the hand up

  • Alain

    While I concur with the PM’s assessment of the danger, I still strongly disagree that we need more laws and law enforcement needs more powers. For me to take the PM’s statement seriously I would need to see the full application of existing laws and a moratorium on Muslim immigration/refugees.

    • FactsWillOut

      …and legal concealed carry for Canadians.

      • lolwut?

        When they shit starts to heat up you can bet those legal guns
        will become illegal in a new york minute.

        Guns are easy to get via reserves straddling the US/Canada border.
        That’s what OKA was really about, protecting the smuggling routes.

        Just have a source ready to go when shit starts to go south,

    • k

      in war liberties fly out the window
      It is VERY hard to get EVIDENCE which is what a court of law requires
      = give the good guys lots of tools to get the bad guys with
      …remember the criminal plays with NO RULES

      • Alain

        Yes, but the problem is the idea of trying enemy agents in a regular criminal/civil court is ridiculous. In a war and this is a war it is not done.

        • k

          Yes This is the problem I have with …
          labeling Islamist war acts as criminal
          ie Raping of infidel women, Running people over with their cars, Fraud etc
          Part downloading from RCMP to Police and …
          part not wanting to disturb business Global relations..
          but it is dishonest….
          delaying the inevitable…
          possibly the acknowledgment will be too late because with this you can not stop the Barbarians at the door

        • FactsWillOut

          The problem is, the RCMP and the government want to treat us ALL as enemy combatants, not just Muslims.

  • Jay Currie

    Civilised people usually do badly confronting barbarians. Civility requires a set of shared values. If people arrive who do not share those values Civility is impossible. So then what?

    Well, step one is to recognize that Islam is not actually a religion. It is a medieval ideology of conquest and submission. As such it is political at its core and totalitarian in it effects. As Western liberal democrats, small l and d, we cannot accept totalitarian ideologies which threaten our own values.

    Which means we have to oppose Islam in any way possible. No immigration. Send back anyone who acts or advocates sharia or jihad. Prohibit Islamic political centers – aka mosques. Go full on.

    • FactsWillOut

      Actually, civilized people are pretty good at kicking the living shit out of barbarians.
      It’s decadent, moribund cultures that have the problem.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        When they have moral clarity they do, but that has been in short supply here in the west for the last half century.

  • k

    It will NOT drive terrorist recruitment
    The majority of the world respects “Might will Right”
    They will respect us for not giving them a cake-walk
    Only the West apologizes about all it’s wrongs
    (which is an upside down boastfulness which will be our undoing)
    Everyone else boasts about themselves positively
    A certain amount of pride is necessary
    YOU STAND UP TO A BULLY, NOT WIMPER AWAY!
    and to fight… you have to have tools ie laws, $, intelligence, unity, UNDERSTAND YOUR OPPONENT DON’T ASSUME HE PLAYS YOUR WAY CAUSE YOU WILL LOSE etc

    • FactsWillOut

      Another nice thing about Putin, he doesn’t apologize for Russian history, and the west gets their panties in wad about that.

      • There are quite a few things about Russian history that could do with some apologizing over.

        • FactsWillOut

          Nope.
          That road leads to where we are now, apologizing to native Indians, gay folk, black folk, etc.
          I’m British, and I apologize for nothing my ancestors did. NOTHING.
          If someone comes up to me and says “The British did X, Y, or Z that was bad, you should apologize”, my answer is “FYTW”.
          Same answer if someone suggests I should apologize for being white.

          • Should the Germans have apologized?

          • FactsWillOut

            No.
            Maybe the NAZI’s should have in 1945, but the Germans should not have, and they should certainly stop now.
            Only someone who has:
            1. Done something bad, and
            2. Feels remorse
            should apologize.

            There is no such thing as a collective apology, it is basically just a form of civilizational abasement.

          • The reverse side of that coin surely is that no such phenomenon as national pride can ever be legitimate.

          • FactsWillOut

            Not true.
            Civilizations or nations are not people.
            It is unhealthy for a civilization or nation to abase itself in shame.
            it is healthy for a civilization or nation to stand tall with pride.

  • Canadian

    Not talking about it works fine.
    See Sweden, Danmark, France, the UK, etc.
    No more terrorism there.

    • FactsWillOut

      Talking about it doesn’t do any good, either.

      • Canadian

        It just might wake a few people up.

        • FactsWillOut

          I doubt it.
          Geert Wilders didn’t wake up Holland, and Paul Weston didn’t wake up England.
          If our leaders keep on this track, it will result in a genocide, but not of us.
          Europe is already a powder-keg waiting for one leader to light the match.

          • Canadian

            Not talking is sure not to wake anyone.

          • FactsWillOut

            Not talking will make as much difference as talking.
            Until folk start acting, nothing will change.

          • Canadian

            Well, they have to know first.
            Maybe some will act, then.

          • FactsWillOut

            You’re absolutely right.
            It’s just that the watered-down rhetoric we get from the politicians is too PC to wake folk up, for the most part.
            It’s a start, though.

          • Canadian

            Yeah…always nothing to do with islam, only lone wolves…

  • lolwut?

    Hope it drives them to the airport.

    But if they wanna stick around and attack the CBC headquarters, I’d crowdfund that.

  • I find that reasoning to be rubbish. What political hay-making could ever make someone rape twelve year-old girls and destroy historical artefacts?