Most Germans want to put the Holocaust behind them, survey finds

BERLIN (AP) — Seventy years after the liberation of Auschwitz, some 58 percent of Germans say the past should be consigned to history, while three-quarters of Israelis reject the idea of putting the past behind them.

Some 48 percent of Germans also say their opinion of today’s Israel is poor and the Germans’ view of the Israeli government is even worse, with 62 percent expressing a negative opinion.

Israelis have a much better view of today’s Germany, with 68 percent saying they have a positive image of the country, while only 24 percent have a poor opinion…

…According to the study, the perception of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has an increasingly dominant impact on the way Germans view Israel as a whole.

Some 35 percent of Germans equate Israeli policies toward the Palestinians with Nazi policies toward the Jews, an increase from 30 percent in 2007, when the foundation conducted a similar study…

The Daily Mail reports different figures (?): On the eve of tomorrow’s commemorations of the 70th anniversary of the liberation of the Nazi extermination camp of Auschwitz, 81 percent of Germans say they want to put ‘the history of the persecution of the Jews behind them’ and for their leaders to turn to ‘contemporary problems.’


Both articles refer to the same study.  Here is a  press release from the Bertelsmann Foundation with more details.

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  • DMB

    If they keep letting a mass influx of Muslims into their country a holocaust will be in their future!

    • Censored_often

      A holocaust will be in the future for Germans and Jews, indeed. Don’t kid yourself!

  • Exile1981

    No shit they want to put it behind them. if they can forget about it they won’t have to feel shame when it happens again, they can pretend they are surprised that the muslims they allowed to take over there country have gone on to repeat and surpass the activities of the previous cycle.

  • pop

    Yes, this time it might be the German holocaust as the Muslims will exterminate them.

    • Destroyer-Drone

      No, they deserve to disappear. Period.

  • Martin Luffa

    The Shoah Industry isn’t going to like this poll news.

    • Oracle9

      Shoah Industry?

      • Martin Luffa

        heh
        For example, 70 years later and looking to jail some 90 odd year old former guard (late teen at the time) who had no choice but to be born into brainwashing and definitely was not part of the planning or command structure … yup, it’s an industry.

        • Censored_often

          Finkelstein, is that you? Or maybe Noam Chomsky is logging on while bashing America with his other hand?

          • FactsWillOut

            50 years is fine as statutes of limitation goes.

            Those that are still alive got away with it.

          • Martin Luffa

            Unlike the Communists, I have no problem bringing up the CHEKA and the genocide of Slavs.

            But, lets not do this today.

            I merely originally commented in a cheeky way that Germans are getting sick of what nobody now alive has done which will annoy many folks that rely on constant guilt tripping to make their living.

        • Oracle9

          Morality hasn’t changed since the Nuremberg trials.

          • FactsWillOut

            Humans haven’t changed in 10 000+ years.

          • Oracle9

            You are correct on that, and that is the essence of the leftist fantasy, in that human nature is perfectible. Martin’s response to me was the same as the Nazis’ in the trials.

          • FactsWillOut

            The most perfect expression of human nature is the free market.
            Funny that, eh?

          • Martin Luffa

            Hmmmm

            where once it was all about getting the real evil behind the acts, now it’s all about hunting down anyone possible to keep the business going.

          • What “business”?

            Say, Martin, do you think the Holocaust was, how you say, made up?

            Share. Please.

          • Martin Luffa

            no

            But the guilt industry lives on and on and on and on and on…

            This story is just confirming to me that the guilt industry better decide to go away or piss people off.

          • Indeed. And the “guilt industry”, otherwise known as The Jews, outta stop “piss(ing) people off”, am I right?

          • Martin Luffa

            Just the Jews that make a living in that industry.

            But then, aren’t they going to paint Jews that don’t want to go on and on and on with the same brush?

            Maybe pushing for more laws and punishments against thought crime is the big ticket for Jews.

            Wasn’t a story posted here that pointed out that pushing more for special rights and protection laws a bad idea?

          • FactsWillOut

            Do you think we should keep hunting NAZI’s?
            70 years after the fact now. Even the youngest one is now 85.
            Do these folk represent a threat? Luffa is right.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            I love you man! 😉

          • Censored_often

            Are you a “Palestinian” leftist or a muzzie? I’m having a hard time deciding.

          • Martin Luffa

            you so want to censor me.. Oooo, I can feel it

            I’m someone that wishes that Israelis would just kill all of the Muslims in their midst.

          • Censored_often

            Hey, Martin. I certainly don’t want to censor you, namely since I don’t believe in censorship. As for Israelis killing “all” of the Muslims, that is problematic since “in their midst” can be defined narrowly or more broadly. In any case, best of luck out here on BCF. I mean this sincerely and look forward to your future comments. Cheers, whether we agree or disagree.

          • Oracle9

            You sure don’t get it. Enabling no consequence in the interest of false “compassion” is an integral part of getting behind the real evil. Sad.

          • Martin Luffa

            Jews are very lucky to have so much power.
            Non-Jews gave them that power… I hope Jews don’t complain when that power inevitably ends.

          • Oracle9

            Elaborate on this power of which you speak.

          • Martin Luffa

            Again, Jews wanted a 90 year old former brainwashed child jailed and the German government complied with that stretch

          • Who has ever been jailed simply for having been a guard at a concentration camp?

          • FactsWillOut

            Are you serious?
            Google “Concentration camp guard jailed”.

            Keerist, get the facts before you post, babe.

          • I didn’t say none had been jailed, obviously. In and of itself having been a camp guard is not a criminal offence as far as I’m aware. Oskar Groening, for example, linked by ML above, is being charged as “accessory to 300,000 murders”.

            In some cases this might be a mere legalism, but Groening was obviously an active participant.

          • FactsWillOut

            “Who has ever been jailed simply for having been a guard at a concentration camp?”

            As I said before, after 50 years, he got away with it, or should have. Jailing an 80 year old man is useless, especially when there are rabid Muslims running around right now. Where is our time and effort best spent? The non-Zionist Jews are running after ghosts and lobbying to stifle free speech, and playing into the hands of the same type who put them into gas chambers.

            Fuck them, and fuck all totalitarians, especially the suicidal ones.

          • Martin Luffa
          • Have you considered Stormfront, Martin? You’d be so warm and cosy over there.

          • Martin Luffa

            And yet, that story about the demands of Jews to have even more laws protecting Jews (and Muslims) was posted here and shat upon for rightly noticing that Jews will be seen as demanding to be special.

          • Martin Luffa
          • Yes, I remember the post. So because I’m in favour of free speech I have to be an anti-Semite? Remembering Auschwitz means I have to demand hate-speech laws?

            Look, you don’t like Jews. This isn’t a friendly site for that. You’d have more fun expressing yourself elsewhere.

          • Martin Luffa

            No, I’m not “anti-Jew”, I’m pro freedom to see the world as it is.

            Noticing that some Jews do very evil things does not make me “Stormfront”.

            Being able to point out the Jews that make life uneasy should be allowed.

            Every other criticism is allowed here… except the pointed criticism of Jews that need to be criticized.

            And fucking shit, I think Jews that live in and defend Israel are total bro-tier.

          • Censored_often

            The entire rationale of Zionism and the State of Israel to give Jews the option of living there. It doesn’t mean all Jews must live there. Rather, it exists as a historical nation that existed for many centuries and now again exists.
            Similarly, just because hundreds of thousands of Irish and English immigrants came to the USA and Canada many generations ago, if not more recently, doesn’t mean that for some crazy reason they need to leave the USA and Canada and “return” to the UK or Ireland and leave North America to the Natives.
            See the logic here?

          • Martin Luffa

            A home for Jews, but nobody else gets their own “safe harbour”

            This is not a new idea

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Kallen

            He advanced the ideal that cultural diversity and national pride were compatible with each other and that ethnic and racial diversity strengthened America. His critics pointed out his disingenuousness since, as a Jewish intellectual and member of the Zionist Organization of America, his vision of multicultural America was quite the opposite of his vision of the Jewish state of Israel as a totally Jewish nation. Kallen is credited with coining the term cultural pluralism.

          • Censored_often

            Even he coined the term, as you suggest above, doesn’t mean he facilitated and singlehandedly created “cultural pluralism” himself. You also seem to be fundamentally confusing a small degree of natural diversity in society as compared with government sponsored multiculturalism, something that never happened for at least two to three decades after World War II.

          • Censored_often

            Well, “safe harbor” might be a stretch considering the IDF – Israeli military – is compulsory service and they must be one of the best, if not the best, military forces in the world.

          • Oracle9

            So lucky that in France, where Jews make up 1% of the population, in 2014 half of all ‘racist’ attacks were against them, doubling the stats from 2013.

            http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/27/anti-semitic-attacks-double-in-france-as-police-re-arm-in-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-attacks/

          • Martin Luffa

            Muslims

            Yet guilt industry Jews will help Muslims fight “islamophobia”

            for example
            http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/117322/former-cst-boss-will-help-muslim-group-battle-islamophobia-0

          • FactsWillOut

            They are they’re own worst enemy, lobbying for gun control, etc.
            My guess is they’ll march themselves to the ovens, the fools.

        • Raymond Hietapakka

          If it happened to one of your relatives, you’d howl like a banshee…

          • FactsWillOut

            My mom had her house bombed by a V-1.

  • FactsWillOut

    Face it, the only good Jews are Zionists, the rest of them are totalitarians, lobbying against freedom of speech.

    • Censored_often

      There is a large middle ground of the Jewish uninformed and complacent here and there; yet, your point is well taken. Oh, phone ringing… must be one of the mythical “moderate Muslims” calling me!

  • Oracle9

    30% of Germans perceive Israeli policies as equivalent to Nazism? That’s a disturbingly large portion of brain-addled propagandized Germans.

    • simus1

      Large numbers of Germans are very clear thinkers.
      Once someone from the red fascist collective tells them what to think.

    • Destroyer-Drone

      I find that pretty rich, coming from the children & grandchildren of Jew burners and Eastbound colonisers.

      “And what did your own grandfather do in the last war? And your great-grandather, great-great-gramp[etc.] before that?” Should be the standard reply to these arrogant arsewipes. They are in no position to complain and engage in that silly blame game of theirs.

  • WalterBannon

    Most Germans want to put the Holocaust behind them… aka close their eyes like their parents while today’s Gestapo (the socialist-muslim alliance) does the dirty work of killing Jews for them.

    We should have nuked Germany in WW2.

    • FactsWillOut

      Well, we put the Japs that we imprisoned behind us, no?

      In Berlin, the ritzy hotels have photos of all the great dignitaries that stayed there, and, last time I was there, my dad (May he Rest in Peace) commented “There seems to be a few years missing.” 1939-1945.

      • Destroyer-Drone

        “Well, we put the Japs that we imprisoned behind us, no?”

        Yeah, as if that was totally equivalent to the planified bloodbath the extermination of Jews & Slavs was.

        Are you sick in the head or something?!

        • FactsWillOut

          Spare me your white guilt trip, asshole.

          • Destroyer-Drone

            Funny, that reference to japanese internment screams of white guilt.

            Now go join the American Bund, goy.

          • FactsWillOut

            I put it behind me. Unlike you.

          • Destroyer-Drone

            Look, the german equivalent to the internment of japanese-americans would be something like the starving ghettoes of Lublin, Warsaw, Lodz…and even there we’re talking about a considerable number of dead people.

            I’d be lying if I told you the Holocaust is something that constantly haunts (or even obsesses) me or my relatives. But the fact is that there’s a huge difference between spending a couple of years in makeshift camps and running from people who constantly seek to hunt you down…people who often manage to succeed in doing just that. Which is exactly what two of my grandparents went through…the terrible stuff I’d rather not mention at all.

            Beyond the Holocaust, nobody seriously asks the Chinese or Westerners to put something like the Nanjing massacre, Unit 731, or Japanese treatment of POWs behind them. War reparations is something the Japanese didn’t do, but both they and the Germans constantly tell others to forget and move on as if all this never happened. So far only the Japanese get mercilessly slapped when they set foot in a place like the Yasukuni shrine. Germans can piss on the Holocaust memorial (as they did last year) and no one will talk about it.

            When I asked if you were sick in the head. I didn’t write that as a rhetorical question to insult you. Granted, that was pretty agressive on my part & I apologise for this. However, to suggest that we can just put those events in a box and forget them…well…one really needs to either display a ridiculous lack of emotion or an enormous amount of collective amnesia to announce such a mindless thing.

            Again, let’s put things into perspective: should the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians put their suffering in Ottoman hands behind them? Should the Tutsis confine their awful past with the Hutus to the dustbin of history?
            Of course they shouldn’t, and asking them to do just that with a straight face would hugely upset them (biggest understatement ever). In fact it proves that the perpetrators haven’t even moved on at all by pointing the finger at their victims in the first place. And so it turns out that the Holocaust, in all its twisted glory, is always more of a non-Jewish obsession than a Jewish one.

    • Censored_often

      The Germans deserve every last fu**ing muzzie scumbag and Salafist in their borders. The Merkelization will be complete when “Allah ackbar” is screamed from Berlin to Koln to Munchen to Hamburg!

      Call it this: The revenge of providence. 🙂

    • Norman_In_New_York

      Germans need to absorb the wisdom of Abraham Lincoln. “We cannot escape history.”

  • simus1

    Persuading young men to do evil things is not the most difficult task ever undertaken in this world.

    • FactsWillOut

      Persuading folk that good trumps evil, and that freedom trumps slavery is pretty hard, though.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    Actually, the percentages in the article on German attitudes appear to be lower than the rest of western Europe, which is a moral cesspool.

    • FactsWillOut

      Unlike the USA, with a TV show called “who wants to marry my dad?”
      The whole planet is a moral cesspool, always has been.

  • Destroyer-Drone

    “Some 48 percent of Germans also say their opinion of today’s Israel is poor and the Germans’ view of the Israeli government is even worse, with 62 percent expressing a negative opinion.

    Israelis have a much better view of today’s Germany, with 68 percent saying they have a positive image of the country, while only 24 percent have a poor opinion…”

    This is why it is wise to never take the germans seriously. My contempt for these people largely stems from this comfortably underserved position of moral authority they’ve acquired in the last 70 years or so.

    So let’s cross t’s and dot i’s once and for all:

    -Germans lost two world wars, two bids for world domination.
    -They clearly planned to wipe out a considerable number of losing nations after each war.
    -Under the logic of their last ideology, a defeated people is unworthy of life and forfeits its right to existence & self-determination: which is exactly the situation they are in.
    -Germans are no strangers to ethnic cleansing and practiced it throughout the middle ages (rhineland pogroms, straßburg massacre) and featured in various german policies of the late 19th century & early 20th century (prussian deportations, herero-namaqua genocide).
    -With that in mind they were graciously spared by the allies from the horrible fate they had in store for non-germans.
    -They experienced an “economic miracle” (‘wirtschaftswunder’) instead and now economically dominate Europe in a fashion not so different from the way Alfred Rosenberg imagined 70 yrs ago.
    -They say they’ve “moved on” and ‘accepted’ their past yet it is always a huge taboo for them (e.g. strafgesetzbuch §86a).
    -They complain about war reparations after robbing Jews blind, about the loss of various regions after invading 3/4 of Europe’s landmass, about the fate of their volksdeutscher in spite of the poor treatment they gave them.

    This is but a sample of an endless list of Germany’s hypocrisy.

    Coming from someone who often frequents germans, visited their country countless times, and has an appropriate knowledge of german history. I cannot say this is something I underlined from the get-go. Rather, this is the product of many years of keen observation.

    It should come as no surprise that nazism was the least original thing to have occured in germany’s history. Antisemitism, which was conceptualised as a german ideology in the late 19th century, precedes nazism and it will survive it as long as germany lives. Being German meant being heavily antisemitic, thinkers like Fichter or Ernst-Moritz Arndt understood that long before Hitler was born.

    The real question is why is there is a country called Germany that’s still around in our present day & age. That’s right. Germany should logically not even be here, it is an awful state that ought to be wiped out like Austria-Hungary was almost a century ago.

    What is more preposterous is to expect a people that had 50% of its total wartime population murdered to suddenly forget and forgive the perpetrators and their descendants and “put it all behind”. This will thankfully never be the case, it only proves how morally bankrupt krauts are.

  • FactsWillOut

    The Germans gave us relativity, quantum mechanics, statistical thermodynamics, Beethoven, Mozart and Bach.
    Modern civilization would not have happened if it were not for Germany.

    • Censored_often

      Albert Einstein was a German, and Jewish, born in Ulm, Bavaria. 🙂

      Relatively speaking, that is, you are correct.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    Let me play the Devils advocate here and maybe just Godwin the fuck outta this whole damn thread.
    Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful, but instead consider the argument that “generational guilt” is generally considered an invalid concept by most civilized people.
    Agreed?
    So does a blond haired, blue eyed child born to ethnic German parents in Germany today really bear any burden (for rememberence or otherwise) for the guilt of his grand parents? If you think so, what should that burdon be?

    Please, treat this as serious question and answer accordingly.

    I have wondered about this for a while. When is that debt paid, and if never, then why not?

  • Una Salus

    When it comes to Germany my opinion hasn’t changed much. Sort of like Madonna the more they reinvent themselves the more they stay the same. At this point I don’t think they can even remember what they’re supposed to forget but they know it annoys them.

  • Nightshade09

    Two World Wars and the perfection of mass scale Industrialization of Genocide (with that German perfectionism ) in less the 50 years in the 20th Century and the Huns now say its time to ‘forget the Holocaust? *rolls eyes*