Salon: “No civilization would tolerate what America has done”

Well-behaved Michael Brown supporters tip over a police car.

It seems police can get away with anything: choking men who have surrendered; shooting unarmed teens; knocking pregnant women to the ground. While the issues involving race, civil rights and the relationship between law enforcement and communities are essential for examination and correction, few are talking about how all of this fits into the larger pattern of America’s cultural decline and decay.

America has become a society addicted to violence and indifferent to the suffering of people without power. Whenever there is a combination of a culture of violence and an ethic of heartlessness, fatal abuse of authority will escalate, and the legal system will fail to address it.

Critics are right to condemn the criminal justice system for its embedded inequities and injustices, but they are hesitant to condemn the actual jurors giving killer cops get-out-of-jail-free cards. These jurors are representational of America: ignorant and cold. They hear testimony from eyewitnesses claiming Darren Wilson shot Michael Brown while he had his hands in the air, and set Wilson free without trial…


Eric Garner had not surrendered, he was resisting arrest, albeit on a minor charge. His general poor health contributed to his death. Nor is it clear that Brown, who had just committed a violent crime, had his hands up.   

These are not clear-cut cases.  Both men were committing crimes and resisting arrest.  But, lacking clear-cut cases, then just lie about some facts and  omit mention of others.

If the writer thinks “No civilization” would tolerate this, he clearly does not read the foreign news. The statement is ridiculous.

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  • Pete_Brewster

    No, it’s true. A civilization not obviously in decline would have done something about these savages long ago.

  • BillyHW

    The truth simply does not matter to the left.

  • Dana Garcia

    If America has worse violence, it’s because Washington has been importing it from abroad.

    • Martin Luffa

      The “Niagara” population isn’t a “has”

      Lincoln was killed because he wanted to expel that population

      • “Niagara”? Ooh, clever. Watch it.

        • Martin Luffa

          Oh sure, draw attention like a moron

          • Explain yourself.

          • Martin Luffa

            No

            You have such an Ego

          • Wouldn’t you be happier over at Stormfront or somewhere?

  • mauser 98

    …Fergadishu…civilized?

    19-year-old woman ‘doused with lighter fluid and burned alive’
    “They squirted lighter fluid down her throat and in her nose, and apparently they knocked her out,”
    “When the fire department got there, she was walking down the road on fire”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jessica-chambers-19yearold-woman-doused-with-lighter-fluid-and-burned-alive-in-the-us-9914925.html

  • Carlos_Perera

    I must disagree with the statement, presumably by Frau Katze, that, “Nor is it clear that Brown, who had just committed a violent crime, had his hands up,” which implies that some uncertainty exists as to whether or not he had raised his arms in a gesture of surrender. In fact, the autopsies–all three of them!–have shown with geometric precision that he had his arms down, with the forearms pronated (as would an individual who was advancing menacingly at a crouch towards the shooter) when he was shot by Officer Wilson. The evidence is crystal clear on this matter.

    • I haven’t looked at the cases in great detail, but based on what I know I agree with you. The Brown case seems like self-defense on the cop’s side. A huge guy, barreling down on you, going for your weapon: this is not a lynching. But I’m much less clear about Garner. “Resisting arrest” is the police get-out-of-jail-free-card. How can an arestee possibly prove he wasn’t resisting arrest?

      I keep saying this: it’s possible to like support good cops and also not pretend that all cops are sainted heros.

      Not unrelated: http://www.newsweek.com/amidst-debate-study-finds-body-cameras-decrease-polices-use-force-295315

      • Xavier

        The police have the same problem the black community has: they are judged by their worst members, and the upstanding members of both groups protect the criminals because of tribalism.

      • BeukendaalMason

        Well, some problems with your statement with Mr. Garner are thus: Mr. Garner in the video states “no, no ,no, I’m not going” (or along those lines, sorry not interested in looking the video back up), Mr. Garner had 31 prior arrests in NYC, 9 of them for the same reason as the one that was fatal (and the law that was why he was arrested was only passed in 2014 meaning Mr. Garner was arrested at least once a month in the last year), it was not proven that a choke hold was used on Mr. Garner (an arm across the neck does not automatically mean it was a choke, the same accusation could be applied to a shirt collar).

        “How can an arestee possibly prove he wasn’t resisting arrest?”
        How about not making a statement that you wont allow yourself to be arrested? How about not requiring 4(?) police officers to handcuff you?

        Just because the NYPD is smart enough to review procedures and seek improvement does not mean guilt.

        • Garner’s arrest history is obviously not relevant.

          I am not a medical technician, but his death at least deserves a look.

          • Xavier

            Mi’chelle should have been all over Garner’s death since it was a direct consequence of her favorite cause, obesity. I suppose that would have gotten in the way of their racist anti-police narrative though.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            It already got a look.
            He was overweight, out of shape, and had diabetes and asthma. When he mixed it up with the cops, his ticker couldn’t take it.
            He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour after the confrontation.

      • jayme

        I just wish people would say the same about the protesters there are many who are bad and have hidden agendas burn cars no big deal loot no big deal threaten people no big deal all in the name of the protest.

  • jayme

    Take the Mall of America die in what if this was for a white person who was killed by a black thug would the left being say this is great or would they all be arrested.

  • Martin B

    We can always trust our media to tell us that liquor store looters and arsonists are on the side of Civilization.

  • In the history of the human race no group of poor people have lived as good as in the present day USA.

    Quit complaining. Get an education. Get a job. Work hard. Don’t commit crimes.

    Quit whining. And enjoy living.

    It could be a lot worse. You could be living in the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”. (Cute how progressives through in the word “Democratic”.)

  • Just a thought

    Leftist Salon, helping to turn the world upside down, one fact at a time.

  • Xavier

    No civilization should tolerate malevolent media propaganda.

  • Hard Little Machine

    In the UK judges have immediately waived sentencing for convicted rapists because they are Muslim and I quote “Didn’t know any better”.

  • JoKeR

    Could it be him?
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    And I thought it was only a figure of speech.
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    http://pickeringpost.com/kyola/resources/articles/naughty-statues-huta-stupidity-head-up-their-ass-people.jpeg

    • Observer

      Is that Barak?

  • Martin Luffa

    What other country in the world has a Grand Jury to take away power from the State. Even if the only evidence is presented by the State

    Jury nullification is a thing BECAUSE America has JURIES

  • MRHapla

    No other civilization would tolerate this much BS from 13% of its population, especially with no lock on the exit door.

  • Would these brain-trusts prefer living in North Korea or Syria? There’s lots of civic-minded people to beat one to death in those hellholes.

  • Minicapt

    Salon vastly over-estimates the quality of its writers and their material. But then it is based in San Fransisco, and is not a profit-making business.

    Cheers