Isis atrocities matched by Christians, says Tory MP

A search for a photo of Desmond Swayne turned up this: he was part of scandal, as reported by The Daily Mail: “MPs have been accused of exploiting rules intended to end the scandal of second-home expenses – by claiming taxpayers’ money for a third. Some are earning thousands of pounds by letting out the second homes they bought with public funds, then moving into a rented third home nearby – and claiming Commons expenses on that instead.”

The acts of violence committed by Islamic State militants have been more than equalled by Christians down the centuries, according to an international development minister.

Desmond Swayne, a former aide to David Cameron who served a six-month tour of duty in Iraq in a break from the Commons, also said that the war against Isis could not be won without “boots on the ground” in Iraq.

In a candid set of “personal remarks” at a parliamentary event last week, he also hit out at the BBC for using the term “Islamic State”, which he said was a “standing insult to a billion peaceloving Muslims” because it presumed that the militants were acting under the authority of Islam. He suggested using the Arabic term Daesh, apparently oblivious to the fact that the word is an acronym for a literal translation of “the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria”.

The minister said that Christians who argue that the jihadists’ violence stems directly from Islam were talking “absolute, manifest nonsense” and needed “a broader appreciation of the sweep of history” such as deeper knowledge of the Crusades.

“I don’t think there’s anything Isil [an alternative name for Isis] can come up with that Christians have not matched at some stage in history,” he said, according to a transcript posted by Lapido Media, a body campaigning for religious literacy. “We used to burn one another over relatively trivial aspects of doctrine”

Mr Swayne, the Tory MP for New Forest West, said that the bloody massacres committed by Muslims and Christians were “representative of the radical depravity of man expressed in all religions”.

Passages in the Koran that appeared to advocate attacks on non-Muslims could be answered with “any number of bloodthirsty, ghastly, taken-out-of-context quotes from the New and Old Testaments”, he added.

Sid Cordle, the leader of the Christian People’s Alliance, said he profoundly disagreed: “This is not a war between Islam and Christianity. This is a war Islam is fighting against non-believers.”

Asked about his speech, Mr Swayne told The Times: “The thing that is missing is my assertion that the excesses of Christendom are no more representative of true Christianity than Daesh’s perverted message is representative of Islam.”

Quite the Islamophile we have here.

The Religion of Peace site critiques this argument here. Commands to kill in Old Testament are typically directed against specific tribes, which, of course, no longer exist. The Old Testament is also much older than the Koran.  

Specific commands to kill certain groups of people do not occur in New Testament.

All of which does mean that Christians cannot be violent. As I have said before, we are clearly a violent species: fighting over territory exists even in our cousins the chimpanzees.

That does not change the fact that Mohammed was a warlord and engaged in battle himself, unlike Jesus in the New Testament. Mohammed could have picked up the many peaceful messages of the New Testament (he certainly plagiarized quite a bit) but he did not. 

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    Yes, those atheists are so grounded in reality and so concerned for their fellow man, that he felt the need to misappropriate 10-grand from his own government.
    The likes of him look best at the bottom of a very deep lime pit.

    Dear Tories: you bastards are just as much to blame for England’s dysfunction as Labour.

    • Mal

      I must say I like the “lime pit” notion, DBN! Mind if I reference it once in a while?

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Have at it!

  • Mal

    Leaving out the fact that “down the centuries” the mahometans were also committing violence. The current global atrocities in the news EVERY SINGLE DAY are by the followers of islam. Dissembling appeasers like this schmuck need to be exposed for their phoney, “depraved” moral-equivalences.

  • Sir Barrington Minge

    yes, there’s always one arsehole.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    Atheists themselves committed atrocities and mass murders even more horrible than ISIS. See Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.

    • Frau Katze

      For sure.