Why John Cleese Daren’t Make Jokes About The Religion Of Peace

Ex-Python John Cleese has admitted on Bill Maher’s show something which his fellow comedians generally won’t: that the reason they don’t make jokes about Islam is that they’re frightened of being killed.

“The problem is if you make jokes about people who are going to kill you, there is a sort of tendency to hold back a little isn’t there?”

Cleese’s remark prompted criticism from the usual suspects, among them someone called Bashir Chaudhry, from the League of British Muslims, who was quoted in the Mail thus:

“Killing people, that’s not in Islam…John Cleese must be very desperate to get his name mentioned to make such a comment.”

‘Killing people, that’s not in Islam’. Now where have I heard that phrase before? Ah yes. I remember. It was in the cab on the way to recording that godawful BBC Free Speechdebate programme the other week.

Both of my companions – the driver and my fellow panelist Mobeen Azhar – were young Muslims, so I was very interested to hear their views on the jihadists heading to Syria and Iraq to fight for Islamic State.

“They’re not Muslims,” said the driver.

“Well I think they think they are,” I gently suggested.

“They’re not,” said Mobeen, in fervent agreement with the driver. “What Islamic State are doing is contrary to the Koran. You’re not allowed to behead or rape innocent people like that.”

“You say that. But I think if you spoke to Islamic State, they’d say they were following the purist version of Islam there is,” I said.

Neither Mobeen nor the driver were having it though. Jihadists chopping people’s heads off for Islamic State had nothing whatsoever to do with Islam or Muslims. End of.

“Where do these kids get this nonsense?” I wondered.

The answer, depressingly, is people like David Cameron and US Secretary of State John Kerry.

Islamic State, Cameron told a Muslim audience recently, “has nothing to do with the great religion of Islam, a religion of peace.”

John Kerry, speaking on a visit to Iraq, said that Islamic State “claims to be fighting on behalf of Islam but the fact is that its hateful ideology has nothing to do with Islam.”

Nothing to do with Islam? Really? Is it any wonder that comedians such as John Cleese daren’t tell the truth when our politicians set such a craven example?

They would all do well, I think, to read this superb essay by Tom Holland called How Do We Prevent Radicalisation?

The first step, Holland suggests, is for everyone to stop playing this “nothing to do with Islam” game.

 

How do we prevent radicalisation? by Tom Holland

Over the past few years, Western leaders whose knowledge of Muslim scripture is scanty in the extreme have repeatedly been obliged to pose as experts on Islam. The atrocities currently being committed by jihadis in the Middle East have prompted them to a particular slew of commentary. John Kerry, speaking recently in Iraq, was typical. The Islamic State, he declared, “claims to be fighting on behalf of Islam but the fact is that its hateful ideology has nothing to do with Islam.” A reassuring assertion, and one that almost everyone, including the vast majority of Muslims, would desperately like to believe – but wishful thinking, all the same.

The grim truth is that sanctions can be found in the Qur’an, in the biographies of Muhammad and in the histories of early Islam for much that strikes the outside world as most horrific about the Islamic state. “Kuffar are afraid we will slaughter yazidis,” a British jihadi tweeted recently from Syria, “our deen [religion/ law] is clear we will kill their men, take their women and children as slaves insha Allah.” That this reading of assorted qur’anic verses and episodes from the life of the Prophet is the most brutal one imaginable does not necessarily invalidate it. To be sure, there are other, richer, more nuanced interpretations possible – and yes, the bone-headed literalism of those who would interpret the Qur’an as a license to maim, enslave and kill represents a challenge to everyone who prizes it as a revelation from God, supremely compassionate and supremely wise. That is no reason, though, to play the jihadis’ own takfiri game, and deny them a status as Muslims. The very appeal of their sanguinary interpretation of Islamic scripture is far too lethal to permit such a tactic. It is not enough to engage with the jihadis solely on the battlefield. They must be defeated as well in mosques, and libraries, and seminar rooms. This is a battle that, in the long run, can only be won by theologians.

How best to establish, for instance, that the actions of jihadis in beheading their foes are indeed contrary to Islam? Fighters for the Islamic State might well point out that the Qur’an describes angels decapitating unbelievers with the aim of spreading terror; that the first Muslims are described as harvesting heads on the battlefield of Badr; that Muhammad himself is said to have owned a sword that can be translated as ‘Cleaver of Vertebrae’. It is not enough, within such a context, merely to insist that Islam is a religion of peace, and leave it at that. Muslim scholars have an urgent responsibility to demonstrate in the most painstaking detail exactly where and why the jihadis are wrong. Just as Christian intellectuals, in the wake of the Holocaust, were obliged to confront the evil purposes to which the New Testament had been put, and recalibrate their understanding of it on a theological level, so do their Muslim counterparts today need to redeem their own scriptures from the taint of savagery that is doing so much to blacken the image of their religion.

One possible methodology for helping to achieve this might derive from an unexpected source: the scholarly revolution which over the past forty years has revolutionised historians’ understanding of early Islam and the origins of the Qur’an. It is a piquant irony that the salafist impulse to strip away the cladding of tradition, and return to an understanding of Islam’s beginnings that does not depend upon subsequent accretions and distortions to the historical record, has had a close parallel in universities. Where Salafists locate the radiant light of certainty, though, Western scholars have tended to find the opposite.

“Qur’anic studies, as a field of academic research, appears today to be in a state of disarray.” Such is the frank admission of Fred Donner, Professor of Near Eastern History at Chicago. “Those of us who study Islam’s origins,” he has confessed, “have to admit collectively that we simply do not know some very basic things about the Qur’an – things so basic that the knowledge of them is usually taken for granted by scholars dealing with other texts.” Its place of origin, its original form, its initial audience – all are mysteries. That being so, it is certainly no longer possible to presume that there is anything remotely self-evident about the birth of Islam. Indeed, it is hard to think of any other field of history so currently riven by disagreement.

In time, this inexorable process of historicisation is bound to have an impact upon the literalism with which many Muslims today are tempted to interpret their scriptures. When the evidence for what the historical Muhammad said and did is so patchy, and when the traditional explanations of how the Qur’an emerged are so contested, it becomes increasingly difficult to insist that the inheritance of Islamic scripture is not thoroughly contingent. At the moment, the notion that Muslim beliefs are as historically conditioned as any other ideology inherited from the past is seen by most Muslims as highly threatening; but in the long run this will surely change. Recognising that the stories told about Muhammad are fictions bred of a particular context and period, and that the potential interpretations of the Qur’an need not necessarily be circumscribed by traditional exegesis, should facilitate the emergence, over the course of the next century, of a clearly Western form of Islam. It is one, I suspect and very much hope, in which there will no longer be a place for ritual beheading.

 

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  • Jim Horne

    Do enjoy the exchange between Cleese and Mahar at the 3 minute mark.

    Real Time with Bill Maher: John Cleese on Political Incorrectness (HBO)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCj6YNIpqmA

  • Frau Katze

    This stuff is so depressing —combined with demographics. The crazies are having large families, the few who are willing to consider reform (educated and urban) are not.

    Approaching doom as they literally breed armies of fanatics while the rest of us fade away.

    Sometimes I think I have to stop reading about it. It’s affecting me too much.

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      Learn to make thermite.

      • Exile1981

        I love thermite, it’s so pretty and shiny and warm. Great when you get stranded in the frozen prairies.

  • When you are in the middle of a tornado it is hard to tell what is going on.

    Islam is an intellectual tornado. And most do not see the bigger picture.

    This issue of “fear” keeping a comedian from criticizing Islam is the heart of the problem with Islam.

    The willingness of random “devout” Muslims to kill in the name of Islam is the problem. Islam trains millions of these “devout” believers. These “devout” believers are not easy to see or identify. They are encouraged to act independently without giving notice. If you are with a group of Muslims, you never know if one of them is a potential killer. As Cleese says “the reason they don’t make jokes about Islam is that they’re frightened of being killed.”

    In my thesis “Islam is Fear” I describes this process in detail. It can be read at:
    http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/ Here is the beginning.

    Would you wear a T-shirt with a Mohammad cartoon printed on it?

    You might in Montana. Don’t try it in Mecca.

    Why?

    Because, Islam trains a small number of its most devout believers it’s OK to kill. And Islamic killers have been trained to kill anyone who insults Allah and/or Mohammad.

    In Montana you’d have a good chance none of these Islamic killers would see you.

    In Mecca you wouldn’t last five minutes. One of Islam’s killers would come from out of nowhere and kill you. It is that simple.

    You don’t believe me? Ask any Muslim!

    • winniec

      Vigilantism is allowed in Sharia law by the absence of any punishment for a vigilante who kills for Islam or to defend ‘honor’.

  • winniec

    Bashir Chaudhry says: “Killing people, that’s not in Islam…”

    That’s what’s called ‘The Big Lie’. Muslims often use the Big Lie about Islam as ‘the religion of peace’ because it has been so effective and counterintuitive.

    Hitler in 1925 book Mein Kampf wrote about the use of a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”. Lies are such a part of Islam that Muslims almost invariably lie whenever Islam appears to be amoral or unethical.
    Cultural Marxists want to believe that Muslims are oppressed peoples struggling to overthrow colonial imperialism, but the reverse is true: MUSLIMS ARE ALL IMPERIALISTS.

  • Raymond Hietapakka

    …”must be very desperate to get his name mentioned”…somehow I don’t think John’s ego is that frail…

  • winniec

    Holland suggests we can deprogram Muslims by convincing them that the Koran’s obscure origins make it a very doubtful and incomprehensible text, thus excluding the conclusion that it came from God. The Koran says that it is ‘clear’, but the reverse is true: a quarter of the Koran is incomprehensible. If the Koran is literarily imperfect, historically baffling and factually incorrect, what else is wrong with it? It’s so flawed, the Koran is obviously of human origin, thrown together quickly and without attention to detail…it’s a literary mess, a stupidly contradictory book; consequently, no one can reasonably act out the Koran’s many commandments to treat non-Muslims violently.

    • Minicapt

      Tom Holland appears to be one of those intellects who excel at arguing from his conclusion to the ‘facts’.

      Cheers

  • Maggat

    John Cleese may well be one of the funniest men to walk the earth, but he ain’t stupid.