Love is Blind – Islamofascism & The Left

I found this interesting thread on Rabble/Babble . A Babbler named Salmontare made the following statement:

“Berman is correct in his analysis of Islam, but tragically wrong in his decision of what needs to be done to confront it.

Islam has never been metaphorically interpreted, never interpreted as the writing of people from 700 AD, and indeed, the Koran and Hadith leave much less in the way of allowing those kinds of interpretations as the Bible does, particularly with the NT.

We can clearly see what is happening with Muslim immigration into Europe. Infibulations, honor killings, beatings and murders of homosexuals, political and media assassinations and assassination attempts, not to mention an overall increase in the crime rate.

I wish we could get some reasonable politicians who want to protect liberal social values and the welfare state, while talking honestly about Islam and how to deal with it. It’s obvious to most people that war won’t solve this, but we need to talk about integration and the role of multiculturalism at least, before we start having the same problems with Muslim immigration that Europe has.

Salmontarre’s comment was followed by this rebuttal from Slumberjack:

quote:

Originally posted by Salmontarre:We can clearly see what is happening with Muslim immigration into Europe. Infibulations, honor killings, beatings and murders of homosexuals, political and media assassinations and assassination attempts, not to mention an overall increase in the crime rate….I wish we could get some reasonable politicians who want to protect liberal social values and the welfare state, while talking honestly about Islam and how to deal with it. It’s obvious to most people that war won’t solve this, but we need to talk about integration and the role of multiculturalism at least, before we start having the same problems with Muslim immigration that Europe has.

Rebuttal:

There were periods throught the history of immigration to North America where uncomplimentary things were said about other groups who were arriving, such a the Irish, Ukrainians, Chinese, people fleeing slavery, etc. Somehow, in spite of the shortcomings and dangers that some established citizens were warning about, they managed to fit in quite nicely among the very people who were fear-mongering over their arrival. People like you. Let the laws of the land under the Charter prevail equally over all citizens regardless of where they come from, or what they pray about, and let those same laws equally protect those that require protection.

Salmontarre’s response to Slumberjack’s rebuttal:

Oh, get off it.

Irish and Chinese immigrants didn’t believe they were moving into a land of unbelieving infidels, nor were they hostile to secular democracy. In fact, it was a primary reason for moving here.
Irish and Chinese immigrants didn’t kill their daughters and sisters to ‘retain honour’, either. I think perhaps you don’t understand how common honour killing is among Muslim immigrants in Europe. In the Netherlands, the number of honour killings is approximately 50 per year.
Islam immigration into Europe is not the same as previous immigration. They do not integrate into society, and in fact they are pushed to maintain their culture, despite it’s incompatibility with liberal democracy.
I’m not saying we should cut off Muslim immigration, I’m saying that immigrants who are likely to be hostile to democracy and to the idea of multiculturalism need to be integrated.
A culture that is hostile to women, democracy, secularism, multiculturalsm, homosexuality and other religions to the point of committing murders and terrorist acts isn’t just different from general Western culture, it is inferior to general Western culture.

Now the Lunatic Left at Babble chimes in with all their dim fury:


From Kropotkin1951

quote by Salmontarre:

“A culture that is hostile to women, democracy, secularism, multiculturalsm, homosexuality and other religions to the point of committing murders and terrorist acts isn’t just different from general Western culture, it is inferior to general Western culture.”

Bigotry at its height. Should we screen Christians to determine their views on same sex marriage and abortion and make sure that they are not tainted by frundamentalism?

From Remind “The Unmedicated” One of the more rabid Babble feminista’s

quote:
Originally posted by Salmontarre:A culture that is hostile to women, democracy, secularism, multiculturalsm, homosexuality and other religions to the point of committing murders and terrorist acts isn’t just different from general Western culture, it is inferior to general Western culture.

“And why are you posting here?”

This is what passes for dialogue among the “True Believers” of the Left. They adhere to an orthodoxy as rigid as that of the Islamofascists. Rather than defend or refute an argument they immediately accuse Salmontarre of bigotry. Accusations of racism or bigotry are the 1st, last and only weapons in their sorry arsenal.

Rabbler’s never cease to amaze me, the doublethink required to defend Islamofascism and at the same time claim the moral high ground as purported beacons of Tolerance, Gay, Female & Human Rights in general is beyond comprehension.

Salmontarre was needless to say booted in short order. The Truth Hurts.

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  • INP

    I visit babble everyday. I love it. The belly laughs far outweigh the pangs of disgust. I’d try and join the discussion but having to take a shower after every post would take just too much time out of my day. It’s almost enough to make me wish for a Muslim majority here in Canada just to see their reaction when their feminutbar and differently sexual buddies are rounded up under Sharia law marched through the streets to the gallows.

  • I agree they are a laugh. How they can manage that doublethink is beyond me.

  • INP

    We should give thanks for teh internet. Without it we would not be able to see these people for what they really are. Personally, I probably wouldn’t believe that such twisted, despicable people actually exist here in Canada except I’ve read their psychotic, delerious rantings for myself. Better that the filth be swept into the yard than hidden in the bedroom, my mother always said.

  • I agree, we are well served by the web. It has exposed the Hard Left for the nutbars they are. Gotta love Freedom of Speech.

  • JR

    As endearingly wacky as they are, trying to keep up with lefty contradictions never fails to give me a headache.

  • It does make your head spin at times no question JR. They have an inate ability to maintain contradictory viewpoints simultaneously.

  • Immigration is a priviledge. Who says countries HAVE to take in ANY immigrant groups. If they want to cut off certain immigrant groups they have every right to say who they want or don’t want in their countries..
    sorry… but why should they accept people who are as the one guy says… hostile to democracy.

  • But Inc that would be so un-pc and so SANE no one who loves Multicult could understand it.

  • Pongo

    You will likely find that it is the best and brightest of societies under the rule of the Mullahs that are seeking to emigrate to the West, much like citizens of the former Soviet Union sought to defect to the West. They want to be free of the totalitarian rule of the Mullahs. Ultimately it is the societies under the rule of the Mullahs that will suffer for this brain drain.

  • I hope you are right Pongo, however as we have seen with the Doctors plot and with the profile of Jihaddists in general they tend to be among the more highly educated.

  • I think it’s about time – long past time – we got past the idea that leftists are somehow `betraying’ their beliefs when they support the women-hating, queer-bashing, democracy-underming, etc etc etc beliefs of the Islamic fascists.

    Leftists have no beliefs except their own belief that they should be in charge of everyone else – that is what animates them and nothing else. If it entails, one year, championing their version of “women’s rights” (that women never lie about being raped, women are “more cooperative, less materialistic” than men) or “gay rights” (ie. the right to marriage), and then the next, denying these rights, it’s all part of a piece of their own lust for power…

    oh, there are naive individuals, who count themselves as left, such as the poster at the babblefascist.ca web site, as I was many years ago – who think that the left has beliefs beyond power, but when they open their mouths, they are quickly disabused of it…

    thanks
    Roundhead

  • That is a good point RH, the thirst for power alone is what drives the hard left, principles, ideals etc, are merely beards for them.

  • oh like that that! – “they wear their principles like beards…”

    did you think of it?

  • Kinda sorta RH;)

  • Anonymous
  • Thanks for the info Anon.