NBC/WSJ Poll Shows Hillary Clinton Losing Significant Ground Post-Debate

More on that very strange NBC poll…

“…Unfortunately, the headline on NBC’s news article trumpeting the new poll numbers — “Post-Debate Poll Shows Clinton Holding 9-Point Lead Over Trump” — radically mischaracterizes the results of its own poll. The post-debate poll data showed nothing of the sort. In fact, the post-debate data actually show Hillary Clinton with a mere 5-point lead in the four-way race and a 2-point lead in the two-way race. The inclusion of data from two pre-debate days is required to show a 9-point Clinton lead in the four-way race.

It is unclear why NBC not only buried the lede about its own post-debate polling showing a tight race, but why it felt compelled to mischaracterize its own mixed poll, which combined pre- and post-debate survey data, as a purely post-debate poll. The only post-debate data in the survey shows a close race and a dwindling Clinton lead. Whether that dynamic will continue is obviously yet to be seen.”

  • mauser 98

    Clinton Campaign

    “Hillary Clinton Fowarded An Email Calling Muslims “Sand Ni**ers” In Latest Wikileaks Dump”

    • Yea saw that, but she did not write it or forward it that I am aware of. It was an email sent to Podesta, a report on Germany’s immigration woes. IOTW is a good site but links back to Shoebat on that post so give it a wide berth.

      • mauser 98

        if a Trump Campaign email had it the foot would be on another shoe

  • ntt1

    I think the polls are horse manure the samples the pollsters manage to scrape up are small and heavily weighted to democrats.
    Polls have been dead wrong all over north america for the last ten years or so, polling is a dying art.

    • mauser 98

      Brexit also

    • BillyHW

      The LA Times tracking poll has an interesting new methodology. I think it’s possible that it tracks *movement* accurately, but not necessarily the actual results.

      • A lot of people will tell pollsters what they think they want to hear, a lot of silent Trump votes are out there I suspect.

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          The LA Times poll is a whole different animal from most other polls.
          Take a look at it.
          It has Trump ahead, while the L.A. Times own reporters ignore it, or report counter to their own polls.

        • V10_Rob

          Very much so. Many of us don’t want to deal with the interpersonal drama or self-incriminate ourselves (publicly holding conservative positions is just one step below pedophilia it seems), so we keep our opinions to ourselves.

          Some of us feign hip cynical detachment, but even broaching the subject neutrally isn’t worth it. I belong to a social club that likes to fancy itself as chock full of super smart people. Conservative=anti-science hillbilly, so you can guess were most of them line up.

          One guy was reciting the standard list of evidence of why Trump is literally Hitler, I just let him blather. Then he launches into chapter 2, about how Hillary’s email scandal is entirely imaginary and the FBI totally proved her 100% squeaky clean. “Hold on,” I say, “You can’t be serious. What about…” Not even a chance to mention the misdeeds Comey himself listed in his non-indictment, buddy is full frothing rage. “Don’t talk to me about it! I know all about it! I read the transcripts, there’s nothing there! I’m smart!”.

          Simply not worth talking to a proverbial wall. At least a real wall occasionally has something clever to say in the form of graffiti.

    • V10_Rob

      Polling is not an art, or a statistical science. At least not anymore. Now it’s part of the propaganda itself, a form of peer pressure trying to convince you that EVERYBODY is lining up behind the correct candidate opinion, and you better too unless you want to be a social outcast.

      It’s also part of the Big Lie process. Tell people for months that Hillary is going to win, and the actual voting superfluous. When Trump started speculating publicly that the election would be rigged, Obama scoffed and inadvertently let us peek at the playbook.

      “If Mr. Trump is up 10 or 15 points on election day and ends up losing, then maybe he can raise some questions.” The media pollsters are working overtime to make sure he stays a few points back, torturing the numbers and gaming the sampling. Hillary is ahead in the polls. She will always be ahead in the polls. If they polled just Trump and his family, the methodology would declare Hillary is ahead in the polls. When voting irregularities give Hillary the win, that’ll be the basis for dismissing claims of electoral fraud out of hand. “She was ahead in the polls, and she won. Trump is just a sore loser.”

      They suborned the FBI to hide her private server, you think an investigation of ballot box shenanigans is going to be allowed to report anything more than a few statistically insignificant irregularities?

  • canminuteman

    We’re not going to know who won until all the dead people votes are counted.

  • But… but… Trump said naughty words!

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      At this point, even if the NYT said they had video of Trump killing hookers, I would not believe them.

      • Convenient how all of these things are being released all at once.

        A coincidence, I am sure.

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          The “October surprise” is an American presidential election year institution.
          I first heard about it in 1980 when Reagan’s people were afraid that Carter was going to pull a last minute deal with the Iranians that freed our hostages.
          He didn’t, but now that’s the great fear for all sides now is that the other side will have some kind of an “October surprise” and do a last minute reversal of fortune to win.

  • bob e

    Did you see Bret B take on the 270 e votes needed for president ??
    Absurd .. it is not possible ..

  • jack burns

    NBC is just another whore network owned by the corporate masters at Spectre. They need the Hag to keep the cheap labor spigot turned on.

  • Jabberwokk

    Sorry guys but Trump’s done. Paul Ryan see’s the writing on the wall and is trying to salvage what he can. That said the likely scenario is that Trump voters blinded by their own desire for victory will see it as back stabbing and out of revenge withhold their vote. This will Mean Hillary will get the House, congress, and the presidency allowing her to take the supreme court unopposed. All hail the God empress.