People gathered around the Kaaba in March 1967.

What Happens if the Someone Nukes the Black Cube?

Ten years ago I used to discourage discussion of nuking Mecca. There were two reasons for my aversion to the topic: (1) I felt it was intemperate, and (2) I thought, in my naïveté that the bellicose advocacy of such wanton destruction would alienate people who are currently sitting on the fence about Islam.

There’s been a lot of water under the bridge since then. Nowadays I don’t worry about discussions on nuking the Ka’aba. But that doesn’t mean I think it would be a good idea, strategically speaking. To believe that destroying Mecca would demoralize or discourage Muslims is to make a fundamental strategic error.

I dunno, Nuking Mecca just seems so right…

  • Ford Prefect

    So let it be written, so let it be done.

    • Amen

    • dance…dancetotheradio

      I’ve always loved that line.

      • andycanuck

        Et cetera; et cetera!

        • favill

          You’re mixing up Yul Brynner movies…your quote was from the The King and I. The original quote at the beginning of this thread was from The Ten Commandments. But you probably knew that. 😉

          • andycanuck

            No, I conjoined the two.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            Ten Commandments on TV every freaking Labour Day growing up.

          • favill

            It was on at Easter time in my area.

    • Exile1981

      I’m sorry but I can’t condone nuking mecca… unless its during the pilgrimage season.

      • J. C.

        Not nukes, ‘bunker busters’… Lots and lots of bunker busters! (And definitely during Hajj)

        Without the nuclear fallout, we can turn the place into a dune-buggy vacation resort for us infidels! 😉

        • Clausewitz

          I’m sure the defense department has some Neutron Bomb’s stashed around somewhere. ’bout time to write them off as a tax loss.

        • Kathy Prendergast

          I dunno; it’s pretty stinkin’ hot there. I prefer to vacation in more temperate zones.

  • V10_Rob

    If they already hate us and want to kill us all (at least those that will not kneel), respect no laws or treaties, and honor agreements only as long it buys them time, then why waste our time and efforts trying to reach some kind of detente?

  • dance…dancetotheradio

    Let them have their ape stone.
    And let someone else destroy it.

  • Let’s get this party started.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    Accepting the logic of this essay, a ground invasion and occupation would be better.

  • BillyHW

    One of these days the muzzies are going to piss off someone who has no compunction about vapourizing their asses.

    • Kathy Prendergast

      It will be either the Russians or the Chinese.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    I once read somewhere that the nuking of Mecca would throw Islam into an existential crises because nowhere in Islam does it say what to do if Mecca isn’t there anymore.

    • tom_billesley

      The black stone was stolen and taken to Bahrain in 930 AD. It remained there for 23 years. Mahometans carried on with their Haj regardless, venerating the spot where the black stone had been.

      Now what does this remind me of …

      • andycanuck

        I would call Dr Freud but they’d kill his Jewish ass.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Thanks for the history lesson!
        Now tell me what happens if all of Mecca is radiated with a dirty bomb that kills all the. pilgrims. I’d think that would put a slump in the old Hadj season.

        • tom_billesley

          A long half-life would be best.
          I wonder if it would be possible to swap the black stone that they slobber over for one with a polonium flavour.

      • Kathy Prendergast

        This is the grotesque thing that millions of people line up to see, touch, kiss, and pray to every year. Michelangelo’s Pieta it ain’t.

  • eMan14

    I would not shed a tear.

  • TonyO_of_Aust

    Islam is a supremacist ideology – allahu akbar = our god is greater (than your God).
    They get away with murder because Allah is greater than God.
    Simply nuke Mecca, Medina & a few other Saudi cities and it would become obvious that Allah is not greater.
    I would not give the life of one of our young people for a million of the goat-botherers.
    Nuke ’em and the rest would get pretty quiet pretty quick.

    • Will Quest

      There would be no non-muslim casualties…… kafirs are not allowed at these ‘ HOLY’ sites….

    • andycanuck

      That’s my thinking too.

      They also believe Allah does everything/wills it (unlike Christians who believe in Free Will) so the ones who remain True Believers even after the destruction of all the Holy Cities (and Muzzie capitals, I’d suggest) would have to square the destruction with the “so it must be Allah’s will” circle as well.

  • Barrington Minge

    The Kabba is actually a MacDonalds inside.

    • andycanuck

      Would you like goat with that?

      • Barrington Minge

        No, I’ll smoke one of my own.

        • andycanuck

          I would but I’m trying to cut down. Maybe I should try the grass patch?

  • tom_billesley

    Use stealth aircraft to drop large black stones in the centre of other mahometan cities and get some bloody rivalry going.

  • ismiselemeas

    He actually raises a coupe of salient points. In order to defeat islam you have to think like islam, which is not the way westerners think. He’s entirely correct that eradicating the stone would fulfill the prime purpose of ISIS and the Salafists. He’s also correct that the lesser of two evils is the preferred option right now given the choice between keeping the Sauds in power and dumping them. My preferred option would be to reduce the population naturally. For example we could send in as many Nepalese UN soldiers as we can to the refugee which would introduce cholera to the population.

  • Sid Falco

    because it’s 2016…

  • andycanuck

    I agree with commenters there who think the author is overestimating the strength and support for ISIS; and downplaying average Moslems from around the world. (And also conveniently not mentioning nuking all of the Holy Cities and major Moslem cities as part of an all-out war and treating it as if it were just the one exercise of destroying the Moon Stone.)

  • favill

    You can’t stop at Mecca, you’ve got pretty much nuke all of S.A. Then nuke every large city/town in every single country that has “Islamic Republic” in front of its name or is considered to be a predominantly Muslim country (I’m looking at you Turkey, Thailand, Burma, the southern Philippines). Then you’ve got to poison their water, destroy their forests, kill all the males (including male children down to the age of 2), separate the babies from their mothers and other social hierarchies and raise them in a Western or Asian, Christian/Jewish family, kill all the older women and the ugly ones as well and take all the young, pretty females and make them forget Islam (you’ve got to physically remove them from their country of origin and forcibly convert them–yes, there will be casualties). Concurrently, all Muslims in all non-Islamic countries would be put on airliners and shot out of the sky by our fighter jets. Then after 5 generations (100 years) allow Jews and Christians to repopulate the relatively empty lands allowing them to kill off any Muslim residents who still survive (there can be no quarter in this). If you don’t think this would work…tell me exactly where Carthage is. Canada should work with Russia on this plan. This is what the Muslims have in store for us…we might as well get them while they’re weak.

    • P_F

      It’s almost like you are describing a page from islamic history.
      That’s exactly how islam spread throughout the world; killing, enslaving, destroying everything non-mohammedan.

      • favill

        Having read history books written prior to 1985 and some written before 1900…I have an appreciation of what is in store for all non-Mohammedan males (of all ages) and what would likely happen to all the non-Mohammedan females. No thanks. “Let’s get them before they get us.”

        • Kathy Prendergast

          There would never have been any need for war if we had just kept them in their own countries, which was the West’s policy for many centuries, because they are not smart enough to invade the West militarily. Islam causes only limited harm in its native habitat, kind of like the bubonic plague; it only becomes catastrophically and uncontrollably destructive when exported.

  • T.C.

    The Pakis have nukes they are willing to lend to the Saudis which could by used in response. I would suggest something a bit more subtle and clandestine – like nudging a meteorite out of orbit.

    “This rule is fully applicable to nuclear as well as conventional warfare. I want
    to make it clear, this is not an Al Queda document, this is a Pakistani (military forces) document. A nuclear power is already on record in saying that they can justify nuclear weapons in jihad.That is true as a matter of fact. If you disagree, (then) you are wrong.”

    Stephen Coughlin paraphrasing a Pakistani Military document which describes how nuclear weapons and jihad are compatible.

  • Pavelina

    Several years ago a Muslim said that if the U.S. bombed Mecca and Medina it would prove that the Christian G-d is greater than their Allah, and the Muslims would become Christians. Makes sense… Should we try it?

    • Kathy Prendergast

      He had a point. The utter humiliation and demoralization of defeat would make many of them ripe for conversion, though how genuine a conversion it would be, I have my doubts.

  • ‘They should learn to think the way Muslims think (which is not quite what we call “thinking”).’

    Arab News discussion, talking about “maids” in Saudi (i.e. domestic semi-slaves). Someone said the usual crap about how slavery was un-islamic. I said something along the lines of “give me a break. Mohammed (the mods changed it to “the Prophet”) had slaves. His wives had slaves, some of whom Mo banged (I didn’t put it quite like that). What do you think Mary the Copt was?” and so on. Some nice woman (nice Muslims exist, by the way) was genuinely upset. It took me a while to work out what her assumption was. The way she was thinking was that a)Slavery is wrong [good for her, it is] and because slavery is wrong b)Therefore Mohammed and his immediate followers did not practice it.

    She simply could not grasp that when I said “Mohammed had slaves”, that I was not therefore endorsing slavery. It was not within her frame of reference. It never even occurred to her to wonder whether I was Muslim. That was beside the point. Presumably even kaffir know the basic facts of life. Actually think about this… mentally. Any well-meaning, reform-minded Muslim must somehow twist the incredibly important to Islam (don’t fall for this sola korana crap, it’s a flat-out lie) Sira stuff (Mo’s biography), and the reliable hadiths, to mean that Mohammed did whatever they want society to do.

    What is the Jewish equivalent of this? The Christian? The biggest irony of all is this: in Islam, the worst sin is “shirk”: polytheism. (Down through the centuries Muslims have denounced Christians as polytheists because of the Trinity. Mo, who clearly was very confused by the scriptures off of which he was predating, seems to have thought that the Jews viewed Ezra as a kind of Son-Of-God. ) Here’s the sick: Muslims worship Mohammed. There is simply no getting around it.

    And given his revolting character, Mohammed is not the best guy to worship.

    • El Martyachi

      They worship that big black clitty stone too.

  • DMB

    As much as I am all for it my only concern that if this were to happen which I believe it will one day happen it will give the Islamic world the opportunity and the excuse they have been looking for to go after Jersulam as a whole and attack Israel on mass since Islam makes the conterfeit claim (not supported by the Quran) that Jeruslam is a holy city in Islam.

    • TonyO_of_Aust

      If the Islamic world attacks Israel “on mass”, the Islamic world will cease to exist. Do you think the Israelis will just leave their own massive nuclear arsenal unused?

  • Kathy Prendergast

    I agree there is no call to nuke Mecca; conventional weapons would do just fine.

    • TonyO_of_Aust

      Conventional weapons would leave fragments of that rock – a direct hit with a decent sized nuke would vaporise it – no trace, no fragments.