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Russia Shows What Happens When Terrorists’ Families Are Targeted

MOSCOW — Donald J. Trump, the leading Republican presidential candidate, was widely condemned when he called for the United States to “take out the families” of terrorists.

His approach — even after he clarified that he was not talking about killing the relatives — was dismissed by many as immoral and unlawful. Yet, it is the very tactic that Russia has pursued for decades…

In the conflict that began in Chechnya and has since metastasized into a loosely organized Islamic rebellion throughout the Caucasus region, Russian security services routinely arrest, torture and kill relatives, rights groups say.

The Russian approach, enough to make supporters of waterboarding wince, has by some accounts been grimly effective. Abductions of family members unwound the rebel leadership in Chechnya, for example.

  • Exile1981

    Lets be honest, in the vast majority of cases people who subscribe to a violent interprtation of islam learned it from their parents and are teaching it to their children.

    Capturing those relatives is no different than rounding up a gang members fellow gang members or the other members of an IRA’s cell.

    • Exactly it’s why the deflection of “Internet radicalization” fell by the wayside so quickly, it was just bullshit to take the heat of Islam and its ummah.

    • Clinton

      Yes– remember the cold satisfaction of the mother of the two
      Tsarnaev brothers. She was proud that her sons had bombed
      innocent people at the Boston Marathon.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    Also, add Israel to that list of countries that punish families.
    What do you think they do to the homes of suicide bombers?
    The D-9 treatment.

    • The thing is that in some of these cases – this is certainly less true in Europe and America – the terrorists are not acting on their own initiative but on instructions from the family head. Arab clan stuff, very patriarchal. Picture some old git with whose three wives have spent their lives having babies and who now can’t remember how many great-grandchildren he’s got. Said old git will wail like a banshee at the funeral and howl for revenge, but he won’t actually, on a human level, care if young Achmed gets shot on a stab-a-thon, because he probably couldn’t pick Achmed out of a lineup. And Achmed getting “martyred” increases clan status.

      So shooting low-status, brainwashed Achmed might not accomplish much, while threatening Hadji the great grandfather in some way might do wonders.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Strip the entire family, and all family members of all material possessitions that they have.
        If they have land, take it.
        If they have money in the bank, seize it.
        If they have homes, bulldoze them, and haul the rubble and contents to the dump.
        If they rent or lease an apartment, evict them.
        If they are non-citizens, deport them.
        If they require any government permissions or permits to operate a business, revoke those.
        Leave them with nothing, and no way to recover their status or wealth.

        • Maggat

          Piss on Trump, I’m gonna vote for you.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            I call my method “full spectrum accountability”.

        • dance…dancetotheradio

          Hey buddy, can you spare a nickel?
          I’m trying to get back to my home country.
          –I’ll give you a quarter if you promise to take four of your friends with you.

      • Norman_In_New_York

        We have asset forfeiture laws in the U.S. that are applied primarily to drug traffickers. These laws should be applied to terrorists, especially since their violent crimes are far w2orse than selling a bag of weed.

    • Maggat

      Again, effective.

  • andycanuck

    The Soviets did it to the PLO in the early ’70s when the PLO killed a Soviet diplomat (or two?) and then, oddly enough, never had any problem with them again.

    • Alain

      Funny how effective that can be.

    • zee

      Andrei Gromyko was asked how the Soviets who have handled their embassy being overrun in Tehran the way the US embassy was. His answer was short and precise: “Tehran would’ve been a hole in the ground by noon”

      • Clink9

        That’s how they should have “negotiated” the hostage situation.

        Strong horse, weak horse stuff.

  • Maggat

    Appears to be a sound and effective method of getting rid of the pestilence that is called islam.

  • ismiselemeas

    Nothing like a nephew’s testicles mailed special delivery to drive the point home.

  • Alain

    Compare this to the West where an army snipper is charged for not giving a warning before shooting, where female guards humiliating captured terrorists are charged, and where torture can be anything from giving them a dirty look to serving them pork. Not promising at all for the West.

  • Dave

    “Russian security services routinely arrest, torture and kill relatives, rights groups” say. ‘Tards say it like there something wrong with the russian method.