Overnight Thread…

Douglas Murray – ‘Multi-culturalism, and the record of assimilation’

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  • BillyHW
  • BillyHW

    Gavin McInnes nails it yet again:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-J44jEaD30

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    This is a great video!
    Thanks

    • El Martyachi

      … guy talks like a fag though.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRQijskAMp4

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        I think he IS a fag, or did you mean he’s British?

        • El Martyachi

          same diff…

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Sometimes they don’t take that observation well.
            Then again, all of the Brits I know are actually manly men, but they are all bikers too, so that’s the difference.

            It is funny how national stereotypes divide into two categories.
            Ones you can talk and joke about with people from those countries, and those you absolutely cannot.

            As an American I kind of have it easy as long as I don’t get fat and act stupid.
            The other American stereotypes, like being a bunch of un-nuanced, warmongering, gun toting, violent Jesus botherers that don’t like to pay taxes, I have no problem with, in fact I wished we did a better job of living up to all those stereotypes.

          • El Martyachi

            … even the “bikers” man… watch your ass around that crew.
            https://youtu.be/xZ1NNoIbF5E?t=51

        • Sid Falco

          He’s actually Scottish, although he doesn’t really have very much (if any) trace of a Scottish accent – very RP (not RoP!) pronunciation.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            So, he talks like a fag.
            Did he train himself to talk that way, or did he go to some posh boarding school?

          • Sid Falco

            Posh boarding school. I assume he comes from a rich family in Scotland – straight to (English) boarding school at 4 or 5 years old then Oxford (where he wrote a book about “Bosie” – Oscar Wilde’s nemesis).

            Am just listening to his (excellent) speech) – no discernable trace of a Scottish vowel or consonant.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Thanks Sid!
            On the scale of social class strata in England, where would his accent put him?
            I assume near the top, but at the highest levels?

            What class would somebody typically have to be whom spoke naturally like a BBC news reader, or does nobody speak that way?

          • Sid Falco

            If he were English I suppose his accent would identify him as “upper middle class” at the very least.

            The subtleties of the pecking order above that escape although given that he is Scottish, his family might be some sort of “upper class” types with a title or a castle – it’s much rarer for someone from Scotland (even an “upper middle class” type) to go to an English boarding school when there are plenty of posh ones in Scotland (eg Prince Charles went to Gordonstoun in Scotland). Those people who went to the equivalent Scottish schools would have an equally posh but instantly recognisable Scottish accent.

            re the BBC, the “classic” BBC news reader accent would be someone with a similar educational background to Douglas – although there are a lot of Scottish people (with polite accents) because the Scottish accent (at least the well-spoken versions) sounds “classless” to English ears – ie they can’t pigeonhole their background – and family’s net worth – so easily.

            In the past 10/20 years however, they’ve “dumbed down” by having a lot of regional accents, especially on the more popular stations like Radio 5 Live – the Sports and phone-ins channel.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            That whole subject of class signaling through accent I find fascinating, but likely much less so if I had to live there. Why do not people take elocution lessons and acquire the accent most likely to open doors for them?

            How would someone having a Canadian, Australian, or American accent fall within that established pecking order? or is that a separate exclusionary category?

          • Sid Falco

            I think a lot of people send their children to expensive private schools (called public schools in England) with the express intention of giving them the right accent, contacts, self-confidence etc to open doors for them.

            Typically, Canadian, Aussies, etc. would be exempt, as are a lot of educated (ie well-spoken) Scots and Irish people – in much the same manner a favourite pet might be.

            However a lot of business contacts still revolve around the “old school tie” – you can come across a few super-confident complete twats who excel because they went to Eton.

          • There’s a fairly new trend in England for people with upper class accents to cockney-fy them a bit. Look up estuary English. A lot of the New Labour guys did/do this. I guess it’s sort of the equivalent of Hillary or Obama tryin’ to sound all down-home when they give speeches in the South. It’s a very ugly “accent”.

            “Why do not people take elocution lessons and acquire the accent most likely to open doors for them?”

            They used to. Thatcher did. She would have had a Lincolnshire accent when she was young. (She also lowered her voical pitch so as not to sound shrill.)

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            I read Thatcher’s book on statecraft but nothing of her personal life.
            Thanks!

          • Sid Falco

            Tony Blair is one of the worst for that – he was actually born in Scotland (and went to Fettes College in Edinburgh – very posh) but speaks with a classic RP English accent except when in Scotland when he often introduces an ill-making Scottish lilt and also used to adopt an Estuary English accent when speaking to what he considered the lower orders in and around London – absolute wanker.

      • Brett_McS

        Hi is a fag. Dellingpole gives him a hard time (Oh, you are awful. no Dellers isn’t a fag) on his podcast. After one particularly good rant from Murray about something or other Dellingpole summed up with “That was fantastic, Douglas. You know, if I were Stephen Fry I would marry you rather than that other bloke”. Murray can be heard in the background groaning “oh god…”.

    • It was good.

  • Brett_McS

    Take away quote regarding the recent influx of un-assimilable savages: “Our politicians have presented us with a problem that may be unsolvable”.

  • pdxnag

    Even he cannot state the obvious need to expel those Muslims already let in. Only those Muslims who give up their Islam, and thus cease to be identified as Muslim, should be allowed to remain. It is certainly a minimalist demand without which no “assimilation” can take place.

    • John

      Although he doesn’t state that, he may nonetheless be thinking of it. Europe’s elites are in a panic and they’d greet any such talk as ‘hate speech’, and those found ‘guilty’ would face serious consequences. One can only discuss that option using layer upon layer of opaque euphemisms in a manner common to dissidents in the old East Block countries.

    • occupant 9

      … and what Douglas Murray misses, for all that he gets right, is that the first generation of immigrant Muslims, who he projects upon them “wanted to escape,” still brought Islam with them and transferred it to their offspring.

      This is hardly the behaviour of someone “wanting to escape” but rather the behaviour of a Muslim immigrant, acting lowly due to his relative weakness, who, by immigrating as a Muslim and expanding the Islamic footprint ever so slightly, still has earned a spot in Allah’s SkyBrothel.

      As for the so-called “refugees,” one is reminded of when the Muslim youth is in court for the murder of his parents pleading for leniency from the court because now he is an orphan.

      • pdxnag

        The Rule of Numbers in Islam seems to be fully applicable regardless of vigorous instance of non-piety among the so-called Moderate Islamists. The key is that no Muslim can be a loyal citizen of any free nation, rather than the binary opposite of being at war with any free nation that allows them inside.

  • Spatchcocked

    I didn’t know Justine went to an English public school….the lisp was the first hint and the swivel jaw action but the oh so precious twee mannerisms gave the game away….and the love of acting , histrionics and dressing up further convinced me our kid is not quite exactly.
    His old man was considered a pipe smoker I believe…

  • Etobicoke_Gladiator

    Thanks for posting this video. I just watched it in full and consistently admire Douglas Murray. He is one of a small handful of educated individuals in the UK who are brave enough to be highly critical of Islam and the immigration of Muslims to the UK. Too bad there aren’t hundreds more like him!

    • John

      Yes Murray is very brave soul. I’ve watched clipŝ in which he confronts Anjem Choudry and his thugs virtually alone. As he says, we are now stuck with a massive problem that has no solution.