Just Because You Are A Pediatric ‘Brain Surgeon’ Doesn’t Mean You Know Much About History

Pyramids used for grain storage? Absolutely NOT the most insane thing ever said by a Presidential Candidate - Just Listen to Bernie Sanders for 5-minutes.

Pyramids used for grain storage? Absolutely NOT the most insane thing ever said by a U.S. Presidential candidate – just listen to Bernie Sanders for 5-minutes.

Egypt’s pyramids were built by the biblical Joseph to store grain and were not, as archaeologists believe, tombs for pharaohs, Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson has said.

The retired neurosurgeon, who is seeking his party’s nomination for the White House, made these remarks in a 1998 address at Andrews University, a school associated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, to which he belongs, in a video posted on Buzzfeed on Wednesday.

The church is a conservative evangelical Christian one

“My  own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain,” Carson – who last week overtook Republican rival Donald Trump for the first time in a national poll – told graduates in his address.

“Now all the archeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it.

“And I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time to store that much grain.”

Asked on Wednesday if he still held these views, Carson told CBS News: “It’s still my belief, yes.”

Speaking to MSNBC’s Morning Joe on Thursday, rival Republican candidate Donald Trump said: “He’s informed me about the pyramids. I think I’ll have to put that in my repertoire about Ben. That was a strange deal.”

In his 1998 address, Carson said: “And when you look at the way that the pyramids are made, with many chambers that are hermetically sealed, they’d have to be that way for various reasons.

“And various of scientists have said, ‘Well, you know there were alien beings that came down and they have special knowledge and that’s how, you know, it doesn’t require an alien being when God is with you’.”

In the old testament book of Genesis, Joseph, one of the 12 sons of Jacob, was said to have “stored up grain in great abundance like the sand of the sea, until he stopped measuring it, for it was beyond measure”.

After seven years of plenty, the story in Genesis says, Egypt suffered seven years of famine, during which Joseph was able to feed the people with the grain he had stored.

Carson has spoken often about his faith, saying recently of his critics: “They say, ‘Carson, you know, how can you be a surgeon, a neurosurgeon, and believe that God created the Earth, and not believe in evolution, which is the basis of all knowledge and all science?’ …

“But I do believe God created us, and I did just fine … And in fact, the more you know about God, and the deeper your relationship with God, I think the more intricate becomes your knowledge of the way things work, including the human body.”

  • Xavier

    We are all entitled to our opinions and what possible difference could this make? This is a media attack over a triviality.

    By the way, we were taught, circa 1970, about how eccentric and foolish Thomas Jefferson was because he wouldn’t shake hands with people. It seems Mr. Jefferson believed that germs were transmitted through handshakes. I well remember the teachers laughing at such nonsense.

  • CodexCoder

    Given the layout of the pyramids, there is not enough internal space to store grain. Sorry, Dr. Carson, stick to brain surgery. And the answer, “I don’t know” on issues that are not related to the campaign, such as the pyramids, is, in fact, more honest and better policy. I have three classes in classical archaeology and at least 15 books on Egyptian history.

    • andycanuck

      He wasn’t running for President in 1998.

    • I have been inside one of the big Pyramids at Giza. There is no space for storage of grain. These were definitely elaborate tombs. If you have claustrophobia, you don’t want to visit in there.

      That said, the dates are completely off. The three great pyramids were built about 2500 BCE, whereas the Joseph story is supposed to have occurred about a thousand years later.

      I am very disappointed to see that Ben Carson said something so silly, and sticks by it. This does not bode well for his presidential ambitions.

  • WalterBannon


    Grain silos?

    Stick with trump.

    • andycanuck

      I agree with sticking with Trump but raising something like this from ’98 is Media crap.

      • Gareth

        “raising something like this from ’98 is Media crap.”
        No way. I absolutely want to know if a potential pres has uttered such bat shit crazy stuff at any point in their adult lives. If he believed in the tooth fairy would you want to know?

        • Xavier

          To someone not familiar with the structure of the pyramids, they could look superficially like a good storage area. Think ‘angle of repose’. It’s not crazy, just uninformed, and not surprising for someone who has spent a lifetime immersed in another field.

          I’m not defending Dr. Carson, but there are a lot more substantive issues to address.

          • Gareth

            What? Are you actually suggesting this is a reasonable belief for a potential president? You pretty much have to be illiterate, or incredibly incurious to arrive at the conclusion that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain. That is crazy, no ifs, ands, or buts.

          • Gareth

            I think you ARE joking now that I reread your comment

          • Gareth

            One of the main reasons Obama is such a disaster, especially in foreign policy, is that his sense of history is so warped. A presidential candidate’s understanding of history is not a moot point, it is of the utmost importance. If he has been so “immersed” as you say, that he is ignorant of pretty much everything outside of surgery, then he is absolutely not qualified be president. It is a pretty important job. What the hell does he know about the economy? And by the way, it is surprising that an educated adult would believe that shit.

          • andycanuck
          • Gareth

            Ooh. Burn.

          • andycanuck


          • Gareth

            That’s pretty funny actually.

          • Xavier

            What it boils down to is that there is no perfect candidate; we weigh the good points against the bad and take our chances. Everyone has their quirks and if you or I were examined closely enough, undoubtedly some people would call us crazy too.

            A couple bits of political philosophy I picked up from Reagan are 1) Successful policy springs from morality, and 2) You don’t need to know everything if you surround yourself with people who do.

            Is Carson moral? Is he smart enough to build a cabinet of specialists who are smarter than he is? I think so – even if he’s not my top choice.

            From my perspective, the pyramid thing isn’t a deal breaker. From yours, it is. Fine. We still have a year to sort things out.

          • Gareth

            You make some good points in the abstract but I would argue Carson hasn’t done anything to inspire confidence in his ability to “build a cabinet of specialists” with his remarks, even if he is in fact a “moral” person (I’m not in a position to judge whether he is or not).
            I’m also not sure about your definition of crazy. As far as values go, sure, everyone has things that others would judge as crazy, but that is different from taking an absolutely ridiculous stance on such a well studied subject that the man evidently did spend at least some time thinking about. You might I think it is crazy that I support gay marriage but don’t want to extend the right to polygamous marriages, but it would be objectively crazy for me to believe that islam doesn’t sanction polygamy but is ok with gay marriage in the face of overwhelming evidence, and my own lying eyes. Know what I mean?

          • Xavier

            The examples you give are real, important issues that affect our lives. 2000 year old grain silos do not. 😉

            I know he’s wrong. You know he’s wrong. But I don’t *know* that he’s wrong in the face of overwhelming evidence. Take him to the pyramids. Let Zahi Hawass give him a personal tour. After that, if he still thinks they’re for grain storage, I’ll concede you are right and he is batshit crazy.

  • andycanuck

    Maybe the Leafs should have stuck with Pyramid Power back in the ’70s?

  • mauser 98

    and some Barry Soetoro questions?

    Obama records which have not been released

    Obama/Dunham marriage license

    Obama/Dunham divorce documents

    Passport records

    Record of Baptism — Not released or ‘not available’

    Certified Copy of Original Birth certificate — Not released

    Adoption records

    Obama kindergarten records

    Punahou School records

    Occidental College records and transcripts — Not released

    Columbia University records and transcripts — Not released

    Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available

    Harvard University records and transcripts – Not released

    Harvard Law Review articles published — None

    Medical records — Not released

    Illinois State Bar Association records

    Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘said to be lost’

    Illinois State Senate records — ‘said to be lost’

    Law practice client list — Not released

    University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

    • andycanuck

      And Benghazi happened just a few years ago and the emails scandal is from today not from ’98.

      • mauser 98

        ask Barry or MSM to document when his name changed from Obama to Soetoro back to Obama.. crickets

    • DavidinNorthBurnaby

      Then there’s *this* sort of thing.

      • andycanuck

        And the author’s bio on the dust-jacket of one of this two(!?) supposed autobiographies.

        • DavidinNorthBurnaby

          If he simply descended from on high, they should just say and not be so shy and make up conflicting stories./sarc

      • Wow.

    • Frightening list of Obama secrets – all the more since the MSM etc. are not bothered by them.

      • mauser 98

        lots more.. Chicago mortgage fraud , Rezko , Gov. Blagojevich
        the Jarrets.

  • DMB

    I can only image what he would have said about the pyramids if he watched the “history” channel’s Ancient Aliens t.v. show. Then he really would have had brought out his tin foil hat! http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg

    • mauser 98

      when one visits these sites the structures are so incredible huge and complex you almost begin to believe flying saucer stories
      TV, photos, film just not the same.. incredible engineering , labour required

      photo from 2012. pyramids covered in snow.. global warming and all

      • DMB

        A far more likely theory on how the pyramids were built is the Egyptians like many other ancient cultures with pyramids around the world came from an earlier more technologically advance civilization that was wiped out. Maybe Atlantis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2srwQOw-hw

        • mauser 98

          dunno? Egyptians today are not same as ancient ones for sure

          some evidence Sphinx is 10,000 years old

          the head does not match scale of body ,, obvious alteration

          • DMB
          • mauser 98

            thx.. watched it, an interesting subject
            also consider ..Göbekli Tepe

            WIKI says 10,000 years old.. have read it may be 12 to 15,000 years old

          • mauser 98

            also Coca leaves , cocaine found in some Pharaoh’s stomachs
            they got to Peru

          • ntt1

            good point . I had a sculpture prof that was convinced it was a re-carve yes the stone is stratified sandstone but even so the head is less eroded and is very small in relation to the lions body it sits on.

          • mauser 98

            very obvious when viewed up close
            ancient Egyptians did not screw up on big stuff like that
            must have been altered

    • DavidinNorthBurnaby

      That guy’s lettuce is actually an EBE growing out from his brain.

  • Well, the secular/atheist evolutionists think we descended straight from apes, that men and women can be “born in the wrong body”, that nothing is unnatural or unhealthy about homosexual acts, and that there’s such a thing as “a gay gene” — so hey, none of them should be pointing a finger at Dr. Carson when it comes to strange ideas.

    • Gareth

      There is lot in there for such a short paragraph. Let me just ask you about genetics and sexual preference since it is near impossible to discuss evolution with a creationist. Do you seriously believe sexual preference is a choice? Do you choose to “live a heterosexual lifestyle” even though you are physically attracted to both sexes? If you do, you are actually just a repressed bisexual. I am sorry that you must live such a conflicted life. I happen to like women, busty blue eyed blondes in particular, and that is not a “choice.” I could not choose to be gay any more than I could choose my obvious lack of intelligence.

      • Gareth – I believe in evolution as a scientifically likely theory (even if it needs more work) – but I also consider the idea that homosexuality is genetic, as you claim, to be scientifically without proof or credibility.

      • To be more specific, if you believe in Evolution, you can’t believe in the genetic causation of homosexuality. By definition, homosexuality (as against bi-sexuality) is non-reproductive. Therefore, if perchance such a gene arose by mutation, it would have long ago disappeared. Homosexuality has no biological utility, no survival value for the species. Therefore, it has to be a volitional, possibly/probably socially induced, phenomenon. Your attraction to blue-eyed blondes is also volitonal/social – although your attraction to women as such is not.


    • Penny Dreadful – the idea of Evolution and that of God are not really in contradiction: God may well have programmed evolution into nature, just as He would have programmed quantum mechanics into it.

      What is in contradiction are the age of the universe (13.8 billion years), the age of planet Earth (4.6 billion years) and the age of life on it (about 4 billion years), and of homo sapiens (maybe, conventionally, 200,000 years), as science suggests, and the age of these creations (6 days in the making less than 6000 years ago) suggested by a literal reading of the Bible.

  • jackburns

    Carson’s views on immigration are more important to me than what the pyramids were used for. He’s not nearly clear enough or adamant enough.

    • DavidinNorthBurnaby

      Not understanding the debt ceiling didn’t make him sound too awfully qualified. I mean, its a pretty major issue to not have a clue about, as Carson demonstrated on NPR.

  • T.C.

    But no MSM articles on why leftists believe marxism is a “science”?

    • DavidinNorthBurnaby

      How about a feature on the history of “scientific” climate scares? You know, the new ice age predicted in the 60s and 70s that never happened, the global warming of the 90s that never happened, how now the scaremongers have switched to the vaguely-termed, solar activity-based, “climate change” as the current need to shut down Western Civilization’s industries.
      Yeah, I know. Like that’s gonna happen.

  • lolwut?

    Someones was indulging in too much barley before history classes

    • DavidinNorthBurnaby

      Mmmmm Barley sandwiches. 😉

      • ntt1

        Here it is the first week of November, last week i mowed the lawn. Hopefully for the last time in”15. My full nanaimo is safely stashed away since labour day . yet I am still buying and enjoying summery Hef Weissens when a rational man would be embracing dunkels and porters.
        Is this climate change? or perhaps the radiance of our new boy king; turdo la doo?

        • DavidinNorthBurnaby

          In my case, its drowning my sorrows. Boy king indeed. 🙁