This is Islam 34

Glenn Greenwald, Sam Harris, and Islam

For the past two and a half years, Sam Harris and Glenn Greenwald have been embroiled in a bitter debate about the nature of contemporary Islam. The exchange has become so acrimonious – and seemingly intractable – that fans of both writers are calling for a “ceasefire.”

Not me. I agree with Steven Pinker, who considers the reformation of Islam to be “the most important issue in political ideology of the twenty-first century.” This is no time to silence the guns.

  • BradThomas

    “We can settle this by holding opposing cartoon contests. You take Islam, and I’ll take any other religion on earth.”

    Oh, my gosh – game, set, match! I love it.

    • There are really two discussions about Islam. And we only ever talk about the first issue.

      Issue #1 is this particular debate about the reality of Islam. Does Islam somehow cause violence?

      This dominates all discussion about Islam. Excuses run rampant. There is always an Islamic voice of “compassion” exploiting Western guilt. And cultural relativists never run out of highly questionable “comparable” examples. All this keeps the discussion stalled.

      Unfortunately, because this #1 portion of the debate has no end, we never get to the #2 part of the debate.

      The #2 part of the debate is, what do we do about this social pathology called Islam.

      Because it is Islam as a whole that is defective, the entire system. The sum total of all the parts of Islam – from the nice Muslim majority, to the devout jihadis, when put together as a whole – is defective.

      And it is this defective Islamic social blueprint, that needs to be dealt with and cured.

      The debate about the reality of Islam keeps us from finding real solutions on how to undue the damage done by this pathological ideology.

      It is way beyond time to stop debating about Islamic reality and move on to the discussion of what to do about it.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    Greenwald is a JINO.

    • Minicapt

      For him, an aspiration.


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  • Seeing as leftists have not learned anything from the PLO’s activities during the Seventies, the Salman Rushdie affair, the September 11th attacks and ISIS, one can conclude that there is simply no reasoning with them. Mr. Harris is wasting his time with Mr. Greenwald. The latter’s sophomoric and irrelevant arguments hold no water.

  • Gary

    Choosing to not be a Christian as you list all the short comings and also mock God or Christians them self will get a few Letters To The Editor about overt bias , but with islam it can get you killed no matter where you live on Earth .

    It’s insane that muslim terrorists will cite quranic verses and examples by muhammad to justify their acts of jihad and barbarism and yet many dolts in the West that are in power will insist it’s all lies by criminals that Hijacked the Peaceful faith .

    We have Jihad Justin that appears to have never read the quran and relies on his hamas-linked Sunni Saudi buddy that helped him win the islamist votes. Justin mush ave also bought the BIG LIE about Maher Arar being an innocent Canadian and victim of islamophobia and racial profiling no matter how much damning evidence about him came out in the Inquiry which the CBC and Globe refused to Report on.
    Oh wait…….Dr.Sheema Khan was with the hamas-funding CAIR and ever since 9/11/01 she use the CBC and her Column in the Globe to spew Taqiyyah via fabricated hate-crimes and islamophobia .
    We’ve seen how the CBC covered for a Shia Muslim misogynist employee that beat-up and raped white non-muslim women, so why be shocked if both the CBC and Globe cover for their Poster Person’s of islams Peace and their Diversity to show tolerance while it’s THOSE other White people that are the real bigots.

    CAIR was behind the Arar $400,000,000.00 lawsuit for alleged torture he NEVER proved , CAIR had Sheema Khan defend almost all of the alleged and Convicted muslim terrorist in Canada and tried to claim the convicted one weren’t real muslims but didn’t protest them in Prison when they demanded a quran, prayer rug , arrow pointing to mekkah , access to an Imam and Halal compliant meals as non-muslims according the Sheema Khan .
    They are moderate peaceful muslims until caught in acts of terrorism while praising allah , THEN they are accused of hijacking islam and aren’t real muslims.
    Sorry Ms.Khan …..that won’t bring much comfort to the Mother of the little girls beheaded by ISIS or the 4000+ gays hanged in public by Iran or Gays flogged in Saudi Arabia.

  • Maneki-neko

    The people of Mecca hoped Islam would reform when they agreed not to smite the Muslims at Hudaybiyyah. Two years later they were sacked, attacked, and dethroned by the Muslims.

  • Shebel

    I have a question. It is pretty simple.
    WHY on God’s green earth am I supposed to hate the Jews?
    Why on God’s Green Earth am I expected to cater to Islam?

    I really don’t understand.

    The Jews were always fair to me. We understood each other.
    The Muslims were never fair to me . We understood each other.

    There is a big difference.

  • Shebel

    Sometimes .I get tired of being Nice.
    I really don’t like the fucking Muslims.
    They are demanding pieces of shit.
    soon -we are going to forced to tell them to ‘Fuck OFF”.

  • Hard Little Machine

    I heard Willis Carto died yesterday. Glenn Greenwald must be inconsolable.

  • moraywatson

    The problem with “contemporary” islam is the same problem the world has faced with islam since its inception – totalitarianism. And the problem doesn’t begin in islamic countries, it begins in islamic neighbourhoods.