After Junior’s victory Speech….

From  one of our commenters…. Trupeers, on Juniors Victory

…Trudeau’s rhetoric is based on a fundamental lie or silenced contradiction; he says he is all about positive and non-divisive politics but he can only make this claim by way of demonizing Harper (he learned from Obama demonizing Bush in the name of hope and change) and by extension anyone who voted for Harper or who admits that democracy is dependent on an intellectually vigorous, risky, but mostly non-violent process of mutual othering between stronger and weaker demographics. JT’s rhetoric is thus a performative contradiction, and a form of scapegoating those he thinks deserve it. He can say tonight that Conservatives are his neighbours but this is window dressing. If he had lost he would have had a hard time transcending his deep resentment of Harperites. Harper’s position on the niqab, e.g., was ultimately too disgusting for Justin to respect in any way. Only winning power can make him neighborly, heh heh.

JT says his is the politics of inclusion and diversity, but how can any one leader represent in himself the basis of a seriously democratic politics in which all are included? It is the Queen’s non-political job to represent all Canadians, not the Prime Minister’s. The Prime Minister by his very nature must be divisive (and so I don’t totally resent that I resent Justin Trudeau; I just wish he would grow beyond the Utopianism I gave up around age 19). And if he tries as PM to represent all Canadians, he can only become the drama Queen, a job many wanted Harper to play and the latter’s attempts were revealingly pathetic. Politics that does not take our differences as existentially significant is politics in what sense exactly? It is the politics in which all are imperially included except those (many) who take positions that are not allowed because they contravene some universal principle, which in Justin’s case are determined by a victimary ideology in which people must accept that they belong to groups deemed to be historical victimizers or victims, as determined by postnational, post democratic, elites, and not by open debate in Parliament which would be too risky, they say. Thus, the minority Muslim Brotherhood’s othering of infidels and “aposates” can be ignored, but not Harper’s othering (because it’s white, Christian), though in not ignoring Harper’s othering it must be denied by “right thinking” people that it is in any way necessary to our democratic debate (as if righteous thinkers could have a “debate” without someone to scapegoat). Those, including secular Muslims who have spoken out against the niqab as a symbol of a violent Islamism, those (e.g. clearheaded Jews) who fear the Muslim Brotherhood influence on Trudeau, those who have fled the rape and murder of Islamists in the Middle East, have just been clearly told that we are not part of Trudeau’s inclusive Canada as long as we recognize certain existential enemies as such. (I wait for the day some daring European (most likely) refugee goes to a citizenship ceremony wearing a “racist” symbol that Trudeau can’t help but ban….)

Blinded by Utopianism and the victimary thinking that has become culturally dominant, the media cannot see that Trudeau’s is not politics of a truly democratic sort; it is the politics that demands conformity on “diversity”, on the totalitarian impulse to shut up old white dinosaurs or upstarts who don’t properly play to ascribed identities. Pierre Trudeau, for all his failings from my point of view, could at least face down his opponents and cross swords in open debate. Pierre could really piss off, e.g., a Rene Levesque and his followers for having the wrong kind of identity. Pierre could hold his own. Justin will be always wanting to encourage conformity because he has forgotten, or never known, along with all the young people brainwashed in the universities of the last 20 years, that democratic politics was founded on and depends on frank and open debate in which ruling national majorities willfully other minorities (ideally in a way that defers violence, but there are no guarantees) and the minorities fight back, thus showing their value and dignity, revealing the mistaken stereotypes and thus providing us with real social information instead of just hurt pride, without expecting their difference and dignity to be simply guaranteed by supra-political potentates. This is asking a lot but isn’t it a lesser burden than minorities will have to face if we go all in on allowing the Justin Trudeaus of the world to mediate or more likely ignore our differences? What if everyone becomes a hurt minority making competing victim claims on the Emperor? Chinese vs. Muslim vs. Gay? Where will the productivity (shared work, and the social tolerance for socially disruptive entrepreneurial difference making) come from to keep the system going? Will those with the biggest bribes or most foreign influence win at the “human rights” tribunal, or at the tribunals determining what cultural practises are too “costly” for the state or medical system to support? What does Justin really know and love about you, if we can’t really debate it? Will he demand that certain touchy subjects are shut up until they can no longer be shut up (because they won’t really go away until they are worked through)? And then what?

Yes Harper’s anti-barbarian politics are ugly and capable of provoking violence. But I think they’re more likely, via mutual engagement, to point towards a modus vivendi than shutting up debate about differences. Just as Germany had to go through a process of de-Nazification, yet no country ever has had an official policy of de-Communization, our one world elites only have eyes for only one kind of ugliness and risk and mass murder. The Utopian promise that we can overcome our differences cannot be challenged, which means rule becomes more arbitrary and uninformed (ugly feedback is outlawed, the system becomes ignorant) until unhappy reality breaks out with a vengeance. As we see in Europe today, the postnational elites cannot acknowledge that their politics has led to violence, as with the rape gangs of Sweden, UK, Germany, surely just harbingers of more fundamental violence to come when welfare states collapse under their growing demographic imbalances because there has not been a way for locals to debate and mediate fundamental differences between truly different cultures, because we have forgotten that democracy is about naming enemies, calling them to account, discovering through debate new understandings of rights and obligations. There are certain jobs which courts and tribunals just cannot effectively do. Newly defining rights and obligations (instead of judging cases on established terms) is one of them. Certain things have to be hashed out in open rivalry or resentment and victim thinking only grows.

Trudeau is right that if we don’t accept his Utopian vision, we can only have ugly and risky politics. But what is a politics in which all our differences will be transcended under the Great Leader (whether he claims to be a man of “peace” or “war” there is no difference when he claims to represent everyone)? You can still come to citizenship ceremonies, I’m sure, wearing a Mao suit and cap, the millions he murdered notwithstanding. You can probably go in a Che or Fidel shirt and get a laugh out of a few of the judges.

I just hope we will still have blogs like this one to attempt some real democratic feedback to the rule Justinian. All the above blather is only to suggest it will require remembering why real democracy has always been about ugly and risky othering, about (Pierre) Trudeaus giving Salmon Arm fingers to his majority’s “losers” but without demanding they conform to his blessed vision of diversity. Such a perspective may entail humility and spirit of gentlemanly conduct. Pierre in old age criticized his younger ideas about multiculturalism, a fact Justin ignores.

One last example. Does Justin think that we no longer hear about Orange-Green (Irish religious) violence in Canada (common 1-200 years ago) because some great leader shut that up on the demands of a ditzy mayor that “it’s got to stop”? No, we no longer hear about it because it was transcended through national debates in which energies were used up not shut up, in a still mysterious historical process in which the more dominant Orangemen eventually gave up their particular identity and beefs because these were abstracted and to a degree preserved in a new kind of national identity, which is why the Protestant Ulster culture, which through immigration became the dominant ethnicity in English Canada by the late nineteenth century (although by then it had already started becoming Canadianized, made less particularly Irish), is one you rarely hear represented anymore.

  • Barry Soetoro

    Bullshit. This is about me and is a complete validation of all my policies-
    and I’ll be making a trip to sample the weed.

  • reidjr

    Its great to say inclusion and diversity makes Canada strong but the left has a very big anti jewish stance.

    • Justin will wrap himself in the flag stating he is restoring Canada’s reputation as an honest broker in world affairs.

      This will allow for a lot of weasel room.

      • reidjr

        The real test will come if we see him speak out about anti Israel protests.

      • Clausewitz

        Shouldn’t he be on a plane right now heading over to amuse Putin as the new Jester of Foole’s on the world’s geopolitical stage.

    • Heil Hitler

      Germany is carrying the whole weight of the EUSSR on their back… When the German Atlas shrugs, they’d better think long and hard about their deviant lifestyles… Our White Nationalism movement is growing exponentially all across Europe.

      The only reason why Europe is on NATO military welfare and has no real standing armies, is because once they arm the white majority, your Zionist crowned heads will fall.

      Russia has real soldiers on their border and no gay pride marches in their army… imagine that…

      The best thing about Russia getting Crimea back… Catherine the Great took it from the Turks… What happened right after Russia retook Crimea? The Russian FSB searched all the Turks living there… Why?

      NATO sponsors Islamist and Zíonist terrorism when it suits them… Nördlich Atlantik Terrorist Organisation

    • Clausewitz

      Not to mention his dictatorial views on who he allowed to run as Liberals. The results of riding associations were secondary to what Trudeau felt were firm stands on abortion. This also from the man who publicly stated that his idea of sound governance was the ideals of the ChiComms.

  • David Murrell

    Trupeers broaches the subject, but doesn’t dwell on it, concerning the state of democratic debate in Canada once Justin steps into power. We all on this site bemoaned the almost uniform pro-Liberal bias by our media cartel. One predicable worry is that this kneeling, genuflecting subservience, on the part of the corporate media, will continue with a ten-year Trudeau government. It has in the United States.

    I also worry about overt suppression of dissent by the Trudeau government. Particularly against blogs like this one. I also worry about how the conservative right in Canada will develop during the Trudeau years. Part of this will come from how conservatives battle the Red Tories for control of the Conservative party. But another part will come from how we organize our dissent within our media and advocacy groups. We must become stronger.

    • They will try David, but the MSM will dig their own grave a little deeper genuflecting to Justin.

      • Heil Hitler

        Harper lost mainly because of the acrimony with Russia.

        I see little difference in the political parties in Canada, they are all arrogant and sanctimonious… Harper started banging the war drums against Russia… Canadians are wimps…

        • Pierre Trudeau was the only prime minister to ever wear Nazi regalia in this country — your hero. You’re an asshole.

          • Heil Hitler

            The best thing about Russia getting Crimea back… Catherine the Great took it from the Turks… What happened right after Russia retook Crimea? The Russian FSB searched all the Turks living there… Why? NATO sponsors Islamist terrorism when it suits them.

            Ukraine is the same scenario as Serbia… NATO bombs Serbia so the IMF can make loans for rebuilding and get control of Serbian iridium assets… The Kiev junta is just another IMF coup… NATO… North Atlantic Terrorist Organization.

            Like with the other nonsense in Syria, the US State Department armed terrorist rebels to get rid of Gadaffi, the same ones that killed Ambassador Stevens and stole weapons from that secret armory in the basement… The EUSSR needed Libya’s oil, but Muammar Gadaffi decided he wanted gold instead of worthless fiat currency from the EU… What was the first thing they did when Gaddafi was deposed? Form a new government? NOPE, they formed a new Libyan national bank. Now, why would they do that? Even if Muammar was deposed, he and his heirs would still be the sole proprietors, so guess what?

            It was easy to dispose of the hated Muammar Gaddafi, but Bashar al Assad has friends… Russia has real soldiers on their border and no gay pride marches in their army.

          • He’s banned.

    • moraywatson

      The rural-urban divide is becoming entrenched. There are many conservatives who live in cities, but they are simply outnumbered by those who live on the socialist teat. The rural population is no longer large enough to outvote the urban-class, and the urban-class is an increasingly indoctrinated cess-pit of marxists.

      • Clausewitz

        Been talking about this for a long time. Expect Trudeau to go full Stalin if the Rural people start to withhold the fruits of their labour once they start to get tired of always being on the hook for Urban infrastructure policies while they are constantly cut back themselves.

  • ontario john

    Expect the following announcements in the coming weeks. 1. Air Canada commits all of its planes to bringing hundreds of thousands of muslim refugees over. 2. Whiny indians to receive 20% of all future budget cash, 3. New carbon tax and on Canadians and corporations, 4. Canada to commit itself to all UN peacekeeping missions in every shithole on the planet. 5. After getting huge increases in its budget, The CBC, announces its new show about a homosexual, muslim whiny indian woman, who bravely tries to settle thousands of muslim refugees in racist rural Ontario.

  • 2maxpower

    justine is a freaking imbecile a retard. G-d have mercy on us.

    • We will need it.

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    • Heil Hitler

      Слава Богу – победа Православним Хришћанима!
      Glory to God – victory to Orthodox Christians!

    • BillyHW

      Not fair. He’s every bit as smart as the women who voted him in.

  • Barry the dog eater

    I’d like to congratulate Mr. Trudeau on his victory and remind him that it wouldn’t have been possible if I were not president. Allahu ackar, bro.

    You have any more of that excellent nose candy, Justy?

  • Barry the dog eater

    Both borders wide open! This is better than a week at Man Country.

  • Thermblog

    He kept saying, “Sunni Ways, Sunni Ways” in his acceptance speech. I wonder what that means?

    • Mal

      I know! What the hell is that about? I’ve never heard that phrase uttered in my life.
      And I’ve no doubt there’s plenty more where that came from.

  • Mal

    As a prime minister Justin’ll make a great drama teacher.

    • WalterBannon

      he did not even make a great drama teacher, or did you miss the clues that he failed at that too

  • John_yawn

    Would it be possible to remove the poster who has a swastika as his avatar. Thank you.

    • T.C.

      Actually I am very curious about who this is. Someone who seems to support the National Socialist German Workers party yet seems to write and speak Russian and praises the Russian military. The same military which destroyed German National Socialism. And since Nazis didn’t believe in a Christian God, why is s/he going on about the (Russian?) Orthodox Church? All very amusing. Either another thoroughly confused NDP supporter or more Putin-sponsered disinformation. Although I do agree, the icon is offensive.

    • Done.

      • John_yawn

        Thanks again.

  • 2maxpower

    the premier of Ontario K. Wynne has drop the horrible ontario pension plan. Now that Harper (who opposed a national plan is gone) I expect that justine will introduce a job killing pension overhaul and steal more money from the producing class.

    it should not come as a surprise since if obama was on the ballot he would win in Canada.

    I do not see any escape from the destruction of the west, it is going to happen. prepare for it. you have been warned.

    • WalterBannon

      canada is overpopulated with idiots

  • Edubeat

    Women vote for Liberal dreamboats no attempt to understand policy

  • moraywatson

    The politics of “inclusion” are the politics of socialists. They are the politics of bestowing favours on collectives, and particularly on the collectives that garner special protections under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms because of their so called “disadvantages”.

    • Clausewitz

      I’m quite sure the policy of inclusion only includes those brain bead zombies who “Think” (and I use this word loosely) like Justin.

  • WalterBannon

    I am not interested in why the liberals won

    I am only interested in when the coup will happen

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