Tory Signs Defaced By Some “Brave” Idiot

It’s called freedom of expression, O Social Justice Warrior:

‘My body, my choice’ are the words printed and taped to a handful of Conservative signs in the Winnipeg South riding.

The signs were defaced Thursday following comments made by Tory candidate Gordon Giesbrecht comparing abortion to 9/11 and the holocaust. 

In a 2009 video, Giesbrecht is recorded saying: “Six million Jews were killed in Nazi concentration camps during World War II. That’s a staggering number, but get this: since abortion became legal in North America several decades ago, over 42 million unborn babies have been aborted.”

“That’s a 9/11 every day for the past 35 years,” Giesbrecht said.

The video surfaced Tuesday and by Thursday a number of Giesbrecht’s signs were defaced with the phrase.

Voters in the area told CBC the backlash is not surprising.

“Sometimes when you have an extreme view one way or the other, whether it’s pro-life or pro-choice, I mean you’re open to comments,” Esther Paradoski said.

“Though I don’t believe that people should be defacing signs on other people’s property. If those signs are somebody’s front lawn that’s private property,” she said.    

  • dance…dancetotheradio

    I grew up in South Winnipeg.
    There’s a lot of liberal moonbeams there.

    • El Martyachi

      My favs are the “we vote CBC” lawn signs.

      • dance…dancetotheradio

        I haven’t seen those.
        There’s a Conservative sign on my lawn.
        Just a little one.
        Actually, it’s on the boulevard at the foot of a bridge and no one has touched it.
        People are civil in this North Kildonan place.
        Who knew?
        Growing up I thought it was headbanger heaven.
        Enemy territory.

        • El Martyachi

          That’s normalsville AFAICT (any of the Kildonans). I’m down by the university — these signs are fairly common (attached image not actually from my area but from google images)

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            That’s a picture of University Centre, isn’t it?
            I haven’t been there for years.
            I grew up very near there in Waverley Heights.

          • El Martyachi

            I thought so at first too (the north east corner by the parkade) but the loading bay disoriented me. You should check it out .. probably 150 million has been spent on campus in the past 5ish years, not counting the stadium.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            If there’s a parkade there I have been gone a long time.

          • El Martyachi

            It’s been there at least 7 years..

      • Bataviawillem

        I saw those, what are they about?

        • El Martyachi

          If I were a teenager they would be about lawnjobs.

      • mobuyus

        Those signs are only seen in front of the houses of idiots.

  • Someone (this is in Halifax) was telling me today that her small Conservative sign had been stolen from her lawn twice. She gave up, but the other day some passing guy started yelling “oh, looks like yer f*ckin’ sign ain’t there no more!” at the house. When she confronted him he kept shouting “you’re a woman! You must hate yourself! You’re a woman!”

    Needless to say the NDP and Liberal signs on the street havn’t been touched.

    • dance…dancetotheradio

      I’ve never been that far east.
      Why can’t they swing a CFL franchise?
      To be fair, Winnipeg doesn’t have one, either.

      • El Martyachi
        • dance…dancetotheradio

          I know but it’s so very hard.
          If it counts for anything I am a Red Sox fan, too.
          So close in 1986 and they broke my heart.
          I even had to watch the Blue Jays win twice before Boston won the World Series.

          • El Martyachi

            They will win, eventually. I’m still pinning my hopes on a “hey we built this stadium and should probably have a team to go with it” mentality developing.. eventually.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            Not as long as Wade Miller is there.
            I worked with that little roid rage fucker twenty years ago.
            Can’t cheer for the Bombers while he’s in the front office.

      • I don’t know. I don’t understand hockey.

    • El Martyachi

      That’s all kinds of awesome. Did you laugh?

    • Alain

      Brings back memories of my life in the Maritimes, actually Cape Breton, although my own friends were normal and common sense people, they were clearly in the minority just as I was.

    • WalterBannon

      he NDP and Liberal signs, aka the Nazi parties

    • Huck Falifax.

      • FactsWillOut

        Such patriotism. Any other places in Canada that should be fucked?

        • Have you ever lived there?

          • FactsWillOut

            That is not an answer, asshole.

          • Yes, it is, @$$hole.

            It’s a rainy burg with endless amounts of NDP/Liberal schlubs.

          • FactsWillOut

            So is Vancouver.
            Fuck off.

          • Now that you’ve noticed….

          • Justin St.Denis

            Such charm…

          • FactsWillOut

            Perhaps you should mind your own business.

          • Justin St.Denis

            This is an open forum, Skippy, and behaving like a jerk has consequences because, by virtue of your participation, you make your uncivil behaviour the business of others. Perhaps you should learn some manners.

          • I don’t hate the place but I’d be glad to leave.

            It’s a nice enough town, in some ways it’s quite charming, but it is a big town and not really a city. Growing up here I got fed up with the constant insecure boosterism. (I also say that if you’ve never been to Scotland you should probably stop going on about how you’re all Scottish and stuff.) And, yeah, politically, very lefty.

          • Halifax does have some interesting spots but when I lived there, it was rainy and crammed to the rafters with liberals.

            Expensive, too.

        • David Murrell

          I don’t know. But I was born in Pittsburgh.

    • Alex

      The stupidity of the average person makes me almost despair sometimes – not that I consider myself to be of more than mediocre intelligence myself but, come on! “You support the Conservatives, and are female, therefore you are self-hating”: yeah, that’s really logical, guy.

      I used to live in Halifax (my sister still does); it was “progressive” even then (with all the universities and civil service jobs) but I guess it’s just gotten worse in the past 15 years. I’m not sure I’d want to go back (though I still miss the ocean ….)

    • mobuyus

      Maybe there’s a disease associated with those signs.

  • jayme

    I live in Nepean which for years was heavy Cpc support and for some unknown reason its seems to have gone Liberal/Ndp.

    • Waffle

      Something in the water, maybe?

      • Alain

        Or perhaps a change in the make up of the population?

        • Justin St.Denis

          Far likelier.

  • Benjamin Hunter

    Never mind the “slogan”; We live in a country where it’s still ok to speak your piece. However, isn’t it illegal to deface an election sign?

    • Denis

      It is against federal law and if you mess with one on my property it is unhealthy

  • FactsWillOut

    “That’s a 9/11 every day for the past 35 years,” Giesbrecht said.

    So, I suppose he feels we should round up all those women and charge them with some form homicide.

    At least he was smart enough not to actually call it murder, he just implied it. All the same, he has every right to express that opinion, and to expect his private property not to be violated by vandals.

    I forget where in the bible it says “Thou shalt have Caesar enforce God’s Law.”, as if God needs man to enforce His Law.

    If an unborn child is a person, then riding a motorbike, skydiving, smoking, scuba-diving, getting in a fist-fight, boxing, roller-derby, full-contact sports, etc, are criminal negligence. Fucking morons can’t see past their own fucking noses to see the consequences of their emotional outbursts. Either that, or they favor totalitarianism for women.

    • El Martyachi
      • FactsWillOut

        The horror!
        Er, I mean, it’s love at first bite.
        Fish-on, beer-on…

    • Whatever, Mr. Mad-at-Dad.

      • FactsWillOut

        You know what, Smashi? You just lost whatever last iota of respect I had for you. My dad died in 2009, and we were great friends at that point.
        So, I’ll tell you what, you can suck my fucking dick and fuck right off, asshole.

        • Stop being so melodramatic.

          My point was one I had made before: that you make contrary points to provoke.

          This imagined slight at your dad is in your head.

          • FactsWillOut

            Apologize or fuck off.

          • I shall do neither.

            You took offense at something that wasn’t there, not to mention your prior rudeness.

          • FactsWillOut

            Well then, fuck you.

          • FactsWillOut

            “My point was one I had made before: that you make contrary points to provoke.”

            You’re a fucking retard.
            I make points that promote one thing, and that’s freedom.
            Again, fuck you.

          • Sure, like you’re doing now.

    • dance…dancetotheradio

      After a certain point a child would be able to survive as a preemie.
      Isn’t that a starting point for discussion?

      • FactsWillOut

        At 6 mo, there is a 10% chance of survival, with today’s med. tech.
        In the end, as with almost everything, it’s economics:
        (1)Rip the kid out and kill it, or (2)delicately take it out and hope it lives.
        Obviously one procedure costs more than the other.
        If abortion were properly shamed, it’s prevalence would be small enough that (2) would be the only acceptable option.
        Instead, abortion is celebrated as some kind of sick victory for women.
        Can you believe it, for women, the nurturers of life!
        Western society is fucked.

        • dance…dancetotheradio

          I think at six months there should be a legal compulsion to carry to term.

          • FactsWillOut

            I think that after 3 months, there should be very strict penalties for performing abortions, including revocation of license. The woman should remain free, much as I don’t like it.

    • Absolutely. I hate abortion but the fact that the baby is living in a woman’s body for nine months is actually rather significant, and does carry a lot of ramifications.

      • Well, not really.

        Pro-abortionists view pregnancy as a parasite/host relationship which is false in so many respects. Pregnancy can be hard but why should taxpayers be forced to fund something they don’t agree with?

        • “…why should taxpayers be forced to fund something they don’t agree with?” They absolutely shouldn’t but that’s a different question. I’m thinking of the arguments for criminalizing abortion. The points that Facts raises are legit. I mean, these questions follow logically from the logical position that one is required to take if one wants to ban abortion altogether. What about, say, bungee-jumping?

          “Pro-abortionists view pregnancy as a parasite/host relationship which is false in so many respects.” It’s viscerally unpleasant to apply the word “parasite” to a baby, because of the imagery associated with the word, (bugs and such), but as a characterization of a fetus growing inside a mother it’s accurate. Obviously it’s extraordinarily unfortunate for a pregnant woman to think and feel that way about her baby, and that is something that only a dreadful culture encourages, but this is, again, a different issue.

          There is no getting around the fact that some women will always want abortions. (In parenthesis this number would be far, far lower in a culture which didn’t normalize promiscuity and dehumanize the fetus, but that’s something else.) So if a pregnant woman is to be defined legally as in some way an incubator for a fetus, how many of her rights need to be curtailed? It’s an inevitable question. Can she go waterskiing, and if not, should she be imprisoned? Charged? And who will decide?

          I read this famous essay first year university and I’ve always found it perfectly straightforward and convincing. I’m not saying comprehensive. There are many other factors: cultural, religious etc.


          • These parasite/incubator arguments are rather juvenile and I refuse to take them seriously. Mammals give birth to their young in like fashion. That’s science. It’s like being furious that one’s body will age and legally railing against it.

            If a woman doesn’t want to get pregnant, she knows what she can do about it. Now that she is, using abortion as birth control is an unconscionable violation of her baby’s rights. She should also be aware of what (for example) smoking can do to her child. Had the baby been three years old and she was blowing smoke in his general direction, how many statists would be on her case?

            Then this issue drifts into infanticide and gets uglier.

            At any rate, the above article shows to what extremes people will go when they don’t like an opinion.

          • “If a woman doesn’t want to get pregnant, she knows what she can do about it. Now that she is, using abortion as birth control is an unconscionable violation of her baby’s rights.” So do you agree then with the argument that a victim of rape should be able to abort?

            (I’m not trying to be nasty, Osu, I just find these questions interesting,)

          • No, I’m not yelling at anyone. However, I’ve heard so many arguments that carry no weight.

            There are many people whose mothers were raped who are glad to be alive.

            As is said, bad cases make bad laws.

  • Clausewitz

    My body, my choice, my murder.

    • FactsWillOut

      Not homicide, unless you want the state to bust/test women for pregnancy before riding a motorbike, sky-diving, smoking, drinking…
      If that’s what you want, then you are advocating for the ultimate nanny-state.

      • Clausewitz

        No I was just commenting on how easily life is disregarded these days. Like is cheap, welcome to the new millennium.

        • FactsWillOut

          Life was much cheaper 1000 years ago. I’ve always found that odd, when there were barely 100 million humans, life was cheap, now that there are 7+ billion, life us so much more sacred.
          When the ancient Greeks would annex a city, they would kill every man, woman and child so as not to have potential subversives left laying about.

          I hate abortion, too, I just don’t think it is an issue that can be solved using force.

          • Clausewitz

            Not talking about using force, just using moral judgement.

          • FactsWillOut

            Morally, abortion is wrong, as is promiscuity, and a host of other things.
            Legally, there’s not a damn thing that can or should be done about it.

          • Clausewitz

            Since the Supreme Court of Canada now makes the laws, sadly you are right. The government in power can pass a law, but if the SCOC wants to make the law as opposed to interpreting the laws then we are screwed.

          • FactsWillOut

            Like in the US re SSM or ACA, like here with firearms.

    • dance…dancetotheradio

      Not as long as we have socialized medicine.
      Your choice is reaching into my wallet.

      • Clausewitz

        Sorry, forgot the /sarc

        • dance…dancetotheradio

          I knew the sarc was there.

  • FactsWillOut

    How to reduce the prevalence of abortion:
    A. Economically, and using state force:
    1. Stop subsidizing it.
    2. Call it a Medical Procedure that needs a doctor to do it.
    3. Make licensing to do it conditional on not doing it after 1st trimester.
    4. Strict penalties for not adhering to the terms of licensing.
    5. Offer incentives for women wanting an abortion to bring the child to term and give it to a Christian church.
    B. Culturally:
    1. Stop celebrating it as a victory for women.
    2. Stop calling it a health care service.
    3. Call it what it is, a dastardly thing worthy of shame.
    4. Allow churches to offer foundling/adoption services.

    You see? There are cheap and effective ways to deal with this scourge without sending state goons out willy-nilly.
    Heck, folk have been shamed into thinking smoking in a bar or driving while drunk are repugnant, how hard could it be to implement at least a couple of my suggestions?

    But no, all the fucking idiots think that the world is a nail, and that they have the fucking hammer. I (almost) give up.