Topic Up for Consideration: United Church May Remove Minister Who Doesn’t Believe In God

TORONTO — An ordained United Church of Canada minister who believes in neither God nor the Bible said Wednesday she is prepared to fight an unprecedented attempt to boot her from the pulpit for her beliefs.  h/t M

Rev. Gretta Vosper

Rev. Gretta Vosper, though unsure of the concept, wants to remain a Minister, despite her dislike of all that God and the Bible stuff

  • Clink9

    Maybe BillyHW is on to something ……

  • Maurixio Garcia Sanchez

    Then who does she believes , Mohamed,Hala?

    • Clausewitz

      Wouldn’t put it past her, but more likely she believes in Paganism and joined the UCC because it was the church closest to her beliefs.

  • David Murrell

    Cat, there is not posted link to the story (above), so I take it the link is to this Globe and Mail story:

  • Petey

    How exactly would she define membership in the United Church then? Simply a formality, a social club that you paid dues to? I mean, theist religions, dogmatic hard-heads that they are, tend to view belief in God as kind of an important prerequisite for membership. But I guess maybe they just need to lighten up and change with the times ….

    • Petey

      It’s just a social club now. I’m speaking from experience.

      • dukestreet

        That would depend on the church you went to for your experience. Lots of churches are what they are meant to be, a group of believers in Jesus Christ. Hence the name Christian. Even in those churches you can find various people,in various stages of belief or even unbelief. On the other hand, you can find churches who have as Jesus Christ said,”They have left their first love.” but, the pastor should not be among that group.

      • Clausewitz

        Yep, pretty much. When I was young the UCC was God, Queen, and Country. Since then they’ve abandoned all of those beliefs to become the minor leagues for the NDP. I didn’t leave the United Church, it left me.

    • Petey

      And it sucks for dating prospects. The women tend to be very social justicey and work for the government. Think elementary school teachers putting in time until the get married.
      A good friend of mine quit the public school system and went private because she was so fed up with the SJW princesses.
      The United Church is rife with women like these.

  • Maurixio Garcia Sanchez

    It looks that religions now days is only to collect money from members or attendants.

  • Brian Gardiner

    Sam Kinison did a joke about “Christian’s against Christ.” When life imitates a Sam Kinison bit, it’s time for a nap.

  • Hard Little Machine

    She can always be Catholic at this rate. The Pope’s pretty much torn up the Bible.

  • moraywatson

    Rev Vosper: ” I come not to praise God, but to bury him.”

  • andycanuck

    They haven’t made her a bishop yet? Outstanding.

  • Rick

    She could be the Mom next door. No multi-colored hair, no facial ink, and no chrome bumpers hanging from the lip. Her look don’t match her think.

  • truthdareisay

    Placate her… send her books on witchcraft. She may find she likes that a lot better than ministering a church. Convince her that goddess is so much nicer sounding than minister…

    • Exile1981

      Yes but wiccan churches don’t pay their ministers.

  • Allan

    Liberalism, leftism, whatever you call it is a mental disease.

  • Scotch_Pine

    The United Church succumbed long ago to the fashionable social gospel trend of the 1920s and 30s. The traditional Christian idea of God was jettisoned, and it became a place for leftists and liberals to act out a form of pseudo-spirituality by worshipping a god made in their own image. The kerfuffel they’re having now with an atheist minister is only because it looks bad to the older wealthier folk in the UC who still cling to the image of the Christian God. As for Rev. Vosper, she still wants her salary and pension, and besides, it’s an easy gig to be a UC minister. Just pick up a Toronto Star and you have your sermon material all done up for you for a whole year.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    “Vosper made her views clear as far back as a Sunday sermon in 2001”

    • dukestreet

      Yes she did. it’s taken them far too long to get to this.

  • Jim Horne

    When will a political leader have the courage to declare an end to the practice of permitting tax receipts to be issued to parishioners for their donations to religious institutions? It’s a practice that should have been ended decades ago.

    • Minicapt

      1. Right after they stop deductions for payments to political parties.
      2. The greater need is to reclassify unions to commercial personnel service businesses and tax them accordingly.


  • Exile1981

    I think I see why she is a minister – the UCC pays it’s minsters to preach. She is arguing that being a minister is just a job and she doesn’t have to believe in god to preach. I don’t agree with her but that seems to be her basis for wanting to be a minister.

  • simus1

    She has a really soft gig within a very undemanding craven excuse of a religion.
    Some people don’t know a good thing when they see it..