MSNBC guest: White churches need to hang heads in shame, start reparations for slavery

Liberals are trying to tie every conceivable social change possible to last week’s murders at a black church in South Carolina.

Susannah Heschel, a professor of Jewish Studies at Dartmouth College, appeared with MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry on Sunday and made the argument that America cannot heal from slavery and Jim Crow until reparations are paid to black people.

heschel“The focus has been on forgiveness and the evocation has been of Christ of the cross forgiving. But what about the Romans, the crucifiers? What about their repentance?” she asked. “In Judaism there is no repentance without restitution.

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    Wasn’t it “White churches” that kickstarted, funded and propelled the abolitionist movement?
    Why yes, I believe it was!
    Essentially these mid-19th century SJWs started a civil war that killed more Americans than all of our other wars combined, and, as a percentage, would be equal to 7,000,000 dead today.
    All to free 4,000,000 slaves whose decendendants now demand entitlement in-perpetuity.

    No thank you.
    I want churches to stick to strictly scriptural issues from here on out.

    As to this stupid bitch, if you wanted an illustration of just how deeply some Jews HATE Christians with a hot and burning hatred, look no further than

    • They are not Jews but Liberal leftists. The Southern Poverty Law Centre is the perfect example of that.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        I certainly do not think its all Jews, but it is a significant percentage of them that do hold such noxious beliefs.
        Considering that a bit more than half of the Jews in North America consider themselves either ill-religious or outright athiest, I have to wonder what really is going on within that religion.
        Once again, I’m not Jewish, nor will I ever try to be one, but I think this professor is so out of line that it transcends all reason.
        It would be like me calling for a worldwide Jew tax to pay for the allies participation in WWII.
        If that sounds disgusting to you, then you have a taste of how I feel about this professor.

        • Fact is most have embraced leftism as their new creed it’s a form of cultural suicide in my view.

        • This woman is not speaking as a Jew, but as a leftist. She just uses the Jewish label to give her speech some weight.

          • bargogx1

            Yep, you nailed it.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Not that I’m looking to find fault with you or what you say, buy just WHOM speaks as a Jew?
            I don’t think there is any single authoritative voice that speaks for all of world Jewry.

          • just a thought

            “Who speaks as a Jew?”

            More correctly stated, that should be “Who speaks credibly as a Jew?” The reason is that if a Jew tells you something that contradicts 3500 year of tradition, then she/he is NOT speaking CREDIBLY even if they are Jewish.

            That woman is making such an obvious mistake that even a novice like myself can spot it. as can many non-Jews..

            If you had a family member who was lying about your family, how would you deal with that? You would tell the neighbors not to pay attention, and you would not be happy if they held that liars words against you, just because they were from a family member, especially if you could prove it, and even more so if they wouldn’t listen to you then.

          • True – somewhat, and that’s a good thing don’t you think? Let’s just say there are Jews who are more Jewish than others. But the subject is complex, because Judaism is a religion that has de facto evolved, even if such evolution is deliberately covered over. For instance, if you look at ancient Judaism, there were in principle some pretty harsh laws and penalties by modern standards (e.g. eye for eye). These effectively were ignored (not taken literally), say as of Mishnaic and Talmudic times, or earlier or later, but no one had the courage to explicitly repeal them. It would clearly be wrong to say that Judaism is a religion with these ancient laws/penalties, and compare it to say Islam where similar laws/penalties (inspired by ancient Judaism or Christianity and others) are still operative. Today’s Jews, even most orthodox, are tho not super modern much more modern than they are willing to admit to be – and some Jews (whether secular or reform or conservative or atheistic) are, like this woman, too ‘modern’.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Far be from me to say who is a Jew (a real Jew or a good Jew), and who speaks for the entire religion of greater Judaism.
            As a rule of thumb, I just assume everyone is speaking for themselves.

            What bothers me (about this woman) is that if the head of any major church, or the corresponding head of a Christain studies department, made that same demand on “all Jewish temples” there would be calls for their head, and they would get it, followed by a career-ending ostracizment.
            She however will have no such issues or cares.

          • She is just stupid – a fool who repeats stuff she heard from others. Nowadays, following the (justified) Jewish demands for restitution from Germany after the Holocaust, everyone wants to get into the game however farfetched the demands. I’ve recently read Josephus’ “Jewish Wars” – maybe we Jews should claim restitution from Rome, for all the Jews they murdered, tortured, enslaved? If this is a general rule, a new “international law,” then there will be no end to it; everyone has some claim on someone.

        • DbN – I do not know the figures but I would guess that there is a comparable percentage of non-Jews (Christians in name only or ex-Christians) who are likewise leftist in political orientation. It is not a Jewish problem, but a secular one – i.e. a problem relating to the century we live in. This woman uses leftovers of Judaism in her mind to color her secular beliefs. But equally perceivable is how ex-Christians take inspiration from some Christian beliefs for their leftist positions.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Those numbers varied greatly by region.
            The deeper in the south you went, the higher the prevalence of slave ownership became.
            It is one of those things that really depends on how you want to count it.
            The prevalence of Jews who owned slaves in the Deep South was quite high (but not THAT many Jews as a total number -all the Jews there were either heavily involved in agriculture or somehow involved in the business of slavery), while if you take the entire South into consideration, the number drops a lot. It you take ALL Jews alive in the U.S. at the time, including the Northren states, the number goes down even more. I want to say Atlanta, Georgia had the greatest concentration of slave-owning Jews.
            It’s also an area just ripe for misrepresentation too. If you have twenty Jewish families that move to the Deep South to grow cotton, you will have a high percentage of slave ownership amoung them, but still a low absolute number.

            Credible numbers were not easy to dig up (the Nation of Islam has a lot on the subject but I don’t consider them credible), and I don’t remember them specifically, but the most surprising thing I stumbled on to was the astronomically high number of free blacks who owned slaves (in the Deep South), and in many cases, a lot of them.
            As earlier, that percentage varied widely depending on location.
            North Carolina not so much, Louisana and Mississippi were quite high, with one place in particular (once more I forget the city, county or parish) having an almost 90%-100% slave owning rate amoung free blacks.

          • Shocking about slave-owning blacks. But we must remember that the slavers on the African coast very often bought the black slaves from other blacks – who got them either by invading enemy villages or even with chiefs selling people from their own villages! In that perspective, it is not so surprising.

    • just a thought

      No, she doesn’t hate Christians or Caucasians. She is a useful idiot, brainwashed by Leftists. She loves a fantasy idea of right and wrong, and is on a crusade to “make it right,” not to cause harm. You read too much into her folly.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Seriously, how do you know that?
        I have seen (self identified) Jews ON THIS BOARD call for the death of all Europeans, and I have seen that sentiment expressed elsewhere too, so those aren’t the isolated ramblings of a disturbed mind.
        Additionally I have seen Jews (on-line) rejoice in anything that is harmful for Christianity. Some that expressed such sentiments were absolutely NOT leftists.
        Not all of this can be the product of mere leftism.

        Look at “Mikey” Weinstein of

        • DbN – there is no mitzvah to harm Christianity. There may be many individual Jews who resent Christians sufficiently for past harm done, and some of these may even wish for the demise of Christians (e.g. the fall of Europe into Muslim hands), but I can assure you this is not a mainstream sentiment and no one who said such things in a Jewish gathering would be considered sane and worthy of attention. As for those who actively sought ‘secularization’ of American society, they were a minority – in my personal experience, it was never something the majority of Jews had any interest in. Basically, Jews in North America have had a live and let live attitude towards their Christian neighbors, and respected their religiosity and received equal respect for their own. The conflicts you refer to were the work of a few secularists or leftists mainly.

          • just a thought

            Not only is there no mitzvah to hate Christians (of the ideology of Esav the Edomite), but we are commanded exactly the opposite.

            (Deut. 23:8): “You shall not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother.”

        • just a thought

          If you don’t give references, it’s hard to address your perceptions of what was said.

          As to what Avi writes about “past harm,” we would have plenty to be angry about, if we wanted.

          But we don’t hate you, and certainly don’t wish you harm, at least not collectively. If you suffer, then we do. Wishing you harm would be wishing ourselves harm, and that is STUPID!

          Bottom line, if a Jew hates you, he isn’t representative of all Jews. We don’t hate all of you because some of you were murderers.. What’s your excuse, then, for hating all of us, because of some Jews who may actually have a legitimate reason to be angry?

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Your premise is bullshit as I never said “I hated all you Jews” as you falsely and maliciously expressed.
            Your list is an amazing piece of agitprop. So you have greivences against the entire rest of the world going back to Carthage?
            Oh, and Leo Frank was almost certainly guilty.

            Finally, you never addressed the baked-in antipathy or Christophoblic thought that pervades much of Judaism, which is what my origional point was. So, what Jewish organizations are criticizing our dear professor? So far, I not finding ANY.
            That tells me her thoughts are not that far away from the mainstream thoughts for her community.

  • roccolore

    Yet the leftist hypocrite will fight NOT to have to pay “reparations.”

  • Martin B

    Is something stopping Professor Heschel from leading by example and handing over her bank account, credit cards, car and jewelry to the nearest black guy?

  • Jabberwokk

    Then you have reduced forgiveness to a mere transaction Mrs. Heschel.

  • Exile1981

    using her stupid example then she as a Jew should pay me for having been involved in the crucifixion of Jesus.
    She’s an idiot with very little mental capacity, she is unable to see that blacks have had nearly 100 years of free handouts which is for all intents and purposes reparations and done nothing with that free money but have sex, drink and get high.

  • CodexCoder

    First, it was the Jews that demanded the crucifixion of Christ, if the biblical record is correct, instead of the zealot, Barrabas. Second, the Old Testament doctrine of restitution applies in person to person cases, not between races or the children of Israel would have to pay retribution to all the peoples of the land of Canaan and their descendants. One cannot pay for crimes one did not personally commit. Finally, we may repent of our sins to God, but we can never repay the debt we owe to our redeemer – that is not even possible. True, we try to “go and sin no more”, but even that escapes us. That is why repentance is a daily action.

    A whole lot of incorrect theology, even from a Jewish point of view, never mind the New Testament.

    • Yes, leftists use Jewish ideas, but twisting them to fit their own agendas.

      • just a thought

        We have an Oral Torah that tells us what the Written Torah means. They have their biases and a vivid imagination.

        • Yes, they do not come from Torah to their opinions, but use Torah related sayings (like tikkun olam) to buttress their views emerging from Marxism. Of course Marxism was itself inspired by Judaism and Christianity somewhat, but in a twisted manner, just like Islam was similarly inspired but in its own distorted manner. So the web of relations is very complex.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    Oh, dear! Another grotesquerie requires another antidote. Thank God the women of Israel got it together.

    • That helps.

    • Justin St.Denis

      Yummy yummy yummy
      I’m in love with those tummies!

  • Uncle_Waspy

    So now is it just white Christians who must pay reparations to blacks for slavery? Maybe Susannah could toss in a few shekels too for her people’s involvement in the slave trade.

    • Martin B

      Susannah should ask Al Sharpton if Jews aka hymie diamond merchants owe blacks anything:

    • It is silly to indulge in anti-Semitism in response to the personal discourse of this one woman.

      • Uncle_Waspy

        I apologize for the tone of the comment, Avi. Just tired of the sanctimonious finger wagging, the lies and the brazen contempt for all things white coming from the grievance-mongers of all stripes.

        • You’re not the only one, I assure you. Jews, and in particular Israel, are among the prime victims of this finger-wagging.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        There we some prominent Jewish slave traders and owners in the South. That’s not to say “the Jews were responsible for slavery” but they seemed to have participated in slavery along with others of their social and financial class.

        • I wonder what number or proportion of Jews were slave-traders, in comparison to other ethnic origins. I would guess far less. I remember reading an original document written by a contemporary Jewish observer who was (if I remember rightly) with the Conquistadores who sacked Mexico and killed and enslaved the natives – and I was struck by the modernity of his disapproval of their behavior and his pity for the victims.

    • Clausewitz

      White’s have already paid a high price in reparations. The dead and maimed whites of the Federalist forces have never ever been thanked by a black official anywhere. Blood is the ultimate sacrifice, I really think we can call this even.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    We should have realized before getting overwrought. Her professorship has “studies” in its title, a sure sign that something isn’t academically kosher.

    • Yup just another lefty Prof.

      • They are produced continuously.

    • Justin St.Denis

      I noticed that right away, too. I save my energy when it comes to satirizing arseholes.

  • eMan14

    Why is it when these people smile… you get the feeling they are saying “I’m an idiot, and that is my privilege!”

  • just a thought

    I think that after the about 100,000 mostly white Yankee troops gave their lives to free ungrateful sorry Black @$$es, we should have been even long ago. If anyone owes Blacks, it’s the $%@# Democrats, who are responsible for keeping them down, even till today.

    Willfully ignorant foolish Jews are a profound embarrassment.

  • just a thought

    “In Judaism there is no repentance without restitution.”


    There is no ATONEMENT, without restitution. I.e., you have to fix what you broke. But forgiveness is supposed to be immediate, upon doing “Teshuva” (repentance).

    As I wrote earlier, the fact that the North paid a high price in blood to free the slaves means they were not only not guilty in the first place, but also in a sense purchased the freedom of the slaves. I.e., We didn’t break it, so we don’t need any atonement. It was the Dems who broke it, and now those slimeballs want us to pay for it.

    This foolish woman hasn’t a clue about either American history, or about authentic Jewish tradition.

  • Nope.

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      As accurate as it was succinct.

      • I guess I just didn’t have too much to say about this utter codswallop.