Over 75? Sign here if you’re ready for death: GPs to ask ALL older patients if they’ll agree to a ‘do not resuscitate’ order

New NHS guidelines urge GPs to draw up end-of-life plans for over-75s and say it will improve their care

Doctors are being told to ask all patients over 75 if they will agree to a ‘do not resuscitate’ order.

New NHS guidelines urge GPs to draw up end-of-life plans for over-75s, as well as younger patients suffering from cancer, dementia, heart disease or serious lung conditions.

They are also being told to ask whether the patient wants doctors to try to resuscitate them if their health suddenly deteriorates…

After all, they need money for all their vibrant new young ‘migrants’ coming from Africa.

h/t Rosenmops

  • AmicusC

    Migrants yes but don’t for get it ain’t cheap for elective genital mutilation. Gits to find all the changes to and back from whatever gender based on the day of the week

  • Clausewitz

    This will probably be Wynne’s strategy as well. Kill off the Seniors, but only after she has doubled or tripled inheritance taxes.

  • Uncle_Waspy

    Hmmm…….I don’t want to stick up for the NHS, but this seems to be a bit of a grey area. Let’s not kid ourselves, euthanasia occurs all the time in hospitals over here (the health care providers are just very discreet about it).

    Another point is there are very nasty forms of “resuscitation” that most people, save those who work in the medical profession, are not aware of. Essentially, it consists of live evisceration, and the poor soul is conscious throughout the procedure.

    It boils down to quality of life.

    Think of the Robert/Tracy Latimer case.

    • dance…dancetotheradio

      Granddad had a DNR.
      Glad he did.
      He wasn’t coming back from what got him.
      The first time I went to visit, he was sleeping and trying to roll a cigarette like he used to do before he could afford tailor mades.
      When he woke he wasn’t ‘there’ anymore.
      He was back in 1963.

    • Rosenmops

      I don’t like the idea of the government trying to force it on people to save money. I just don’t trust the government.

      • Uncle_Waspy

        Yeah…..whether socialized medicine or private health care — seems like six of one, half a dozen of the other. Both the government ministry and the insurance companies are on the same page in that they want to conserve resources. So if an individual is dying, they’re SOL.

      • dance…dancetotheradio

        There’s a reason I’ve never signed the donor portion of my drivers licence.

        • Clink9

          I’ve always signed it. Recycling at it’s finest. Take what ya need and toast the rest.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            I just don’t want them to entertain thoughts of premature withdrawals.

          • Frau Katze

            I never thought of that before…

      • Frau Katze

        I don’t trust them either. But I’m not familiar with DNRs. Maybe we should ask A.

    • Robert Latimer gassed his daughter to death.

      This is not a persuasive argument.

      • Uncle_Waspy

        Tracy Latimer’s life was a living hell. Blind, paralyzed, daily violent seizures, chronic pain, incapable of communicating. And then her condition deteriorated to the point where the health care workers recommended surgically inserting a shunt directly into her stomach because she was incapable of eating.

        This is a life worth living?

        Robert Latimer was a good man faced with an impossible situation. He took the actions he did because he wanted to end his daughter’s horrific suffering. A person of less character simply would have chucked her into a home and wiped his hands of the situation……and nobody would have known.

        • Tracey Latimer’s pain was manageable. Her father just didn’t want to bother with her anymore.

          This “pain and suffering” argument is dreadful one because it can be manipulated into anything (SEE: Belgium and Netherlands).

  • andeveryting

    Deliciously brutal comment, Frau Kitty.

    Devote national healthcare resources to one’s 76 year old Dad, or to Bisi Alimi?


    • dance…dancetotheradio

      Do suicide bombers sign DNR’s?

      • andeveryting

        Do Not Reassemble?

        Raging against the dying of the light does indeed carry a powerful poetic wallop, but when we know the light actually died some time before the heart goes, DNR does make sense. Doctors know this…


        • dance…dancetotheradio

          My grandfather was 89.
          After the heart attack and stroke he couldn’t remember that his birthday was only weeks before.
          I got a call one day and they said he had ripped out all his IV’s overnight.
          I knew then.
          Never saw him conscious again.

    • Rosenmops

      An HIV-infected Nigerian immigrant has told a newspaper how“deeply offended” he is by UKIP leader Nigel Farage’s outrageous suggestion that there might be something wrong with the fact that HIV-infected immigrants are being treated ‘free’ courtesy of the UK taxpayer by the National Health Service.

      Pray for UKIP to get in.

      • Frau Katze

        I don’t think they will. Everyone will be voting Conservative on account of that far left Scottish Nationalist Party. It’s twisted the whole election into pieces. Led by an aggressive power-hungry woman.

        • Rosenmops

          That is sad.

  • Xavier

    Why not just make it part of your retirement package?

    • mobuyus

      That is my retirement package.

  • Edubeat

    Like dudes! Quebec has already had a system wide policy which requires next-of-kin to decide what level of measures they want for aged relatives on the way out the door Been there done that!. Everything from (1) No measures (2) Lots of measures

  • Petey

    I thought it was the vibrants who were going to pay for my old age health care. Damn. This whole life has been a rotten deal. I wanna refund!

    • Rosenmops

      That was the story they told us. But the vibrants aren’t interested in paying to help old white people,.

  • Sharkibark

    My mother died of cancer 2.5 years ago – she was 82 at the time. Her palliative care nurse had a discussion with our family and her about what DNR means – if her heart failed she (at 82 with advanced and numerous cancers including bone cancer) could be given agressive CPR which could collapse her chest, ribs and lungs. She could then die at her leisure of cancer in terrible pain. We agreed to the DNR.

    My dad is now 87 in the advanced stages of congestive heart failure. We are keeping him at home as long as we can – as per his wishes and ours. He resists (in full cognition) some risks he is taking by being at home – and we respect them. He loves life, his bridge games his friends and his family – but with nothing else to be done (pacemaker, defibrillator, mitral valve clips, heart meds, ablations) we have as a family accepted the he will probably die at home without medical intervention.

    We have made these plans as a family but we have also seen other families ripped apart by not having end of life discussions up front. It is a family discussion, not a government one.

    But to be honest I dont mind the discussion being brought up by the governement – my mothers painful death by cancer might have been needlessly belayed without the intervention of a caring and kind palliative care nurse supplied by our government.

    • Waffle

      I’m sorry about your folks. However, it seems that you and your Dad made the right decision. Things have changed quite drastically in hospitals since your mother passed. I doubt if you would find compassionate caring nurses today. The ones that still have jobs are very stressed and overworked. Besides, in-patient care is not in the (Ontario) government’s plans. Despite his chronic condition, your dad will probably live a happier, longer life at home.

  • Clink9

    Older people do not come back very well from CPR. The quality of life is just not there. I think most doctors have seen enough that they choose DNR for themselves as well.

  • Brett_McS

    I’d say ‘no’ just out of plain old cussedness.

  • Morticiaa

    So if Hazel mccallian had a stroke or heart attack 20 years ago and she
    Had signed one of these agreements, she would have missed the next
    20 years of her life, as she is now about 94
    These are good only if there will be brain damage so severe it causes vegetative state,
    Lots of people don’t want to live in bed ridden conditions…..they work best for really ill already in palliative care…

    • Justin St.Denis

      Funny thing, Hazel was going through my mind as well.

  • Paulla

    Nobody asked me to do it, but I have DNR on my hospital record because after researching the subject, I learned that most resuscitations do not have happy outcomes. Only in the movies.

    • Frau Katze

      You could well be right. But the idea of the govt FORCING it on people is what bothers me.

      I’m thinking, what next? Volunteer for assisted suicide when you hit age X?

      • dance…dancetotheradio

        My best friend died at 27.
        He tried to kill himself three times and we were there to save him.
        The one time I did I went to the hospital to see him.
        He woke up, intubated.
        He looked at me like WTF?
        Like he didn’t expect to be where he was.
        We couldn’t stop him.
        He went for a walk in an early April snowstorm and never came back.
        Made the papers.
        For him to walk five miles in a blizzard, and fall asleep in a ditch, certain of what he was doing, is just a testament to the fact that nothing we could have done would have kept him alive.
        I’ve had twenty years to think about it.
        I don’t know what tortured him.
        His granny had stuck her head in the oven back in the old country.
        He was obsessed with that.

      • Paulla

        If anyone, govt. or otherwise, tried to FORCE it on me I’d say: I’ll make up my own mind about that, and show them the door. How could they FORCE me, without murdering me? Don’t be afraid to stick up for yourself and your loved ones. Medical people are not gods. I once took over the care of my Mother in Intensive Care because I caught a serious error that almost killed her, literally, I got there just in time. They were very respectful to me afterward and I kept Mother safe, altho that required sleeping on the floor next to her bed every night until she was discharged. Don’t be afraid of being called “overprotective” or “unreasonable”. People die because of medical mistakes every day.

  • Justin St.Denis

    I do not like government coercion of any sort. This smells rank!

    My mother died aged 92, leaving six children aged 44 to 72. My dad was killed in an automotive accident when he was barely 60, but his father lived to see 96.

    My siblings and I expect to live LONG lives. I expect 20 more healthy years after 75! I ain’t signing anything…

  • tom_billesley

    For those not signing up, there’ll be the Liverpool Care Pathway.