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Where the Left and Islam Intersect

Curious how the godless left and Islam share a critical aim. They both wish to subjugate infidels, though how infidel is defined differs. But who the infidels are isn’t. We are, of course, the infidels. We of western virtues and values. We who hold to Judeo-Christian beliefs. We’re obstacles to glorious futures for both. Both want us consigned to dhimmitude. Yes, dhimmitude. That’s second class status, with tribute being paid for the privilege.

Marked differences and tensions exist between the left and Islam, to be sure. But is the left using Islam for its ends, and Islam — for the time being — willingly being used?

  • ProgNorth

    This has always been my contention.
    ‘Death to Judeo-Christianity’
    ‘Death to capitalism’
    ‘Death to liberty’
    ‘Death to the west’
    These are the banners they fight together under.
    The left of course being the greater enemy, for they couch their devious aims in the language of compassion…’rights’, ‘equality’, ‘fairness’ etc.

    • Waffle

      And it doesn’t hurt to have a linguist leading the charge. Oh, she is cunning . . 😉

    • Well said.

    • MRHapla

      The enemy of my enemy is my friend,,,,in action.

      We all know how well that works out,,,,,

  • Dana Garcia

    The idealized leftist utopia is long on “co-operation” with the authorities and short on freedom. Islam is the champ on coercive governance, so the hook-up is a natural.

    • WalterBannon

      There’s that of course, but I think their alliance is just pure Alinsky – use any weapon to destroy the “evil democratic capitalist society” in order to facilitate the glorious socialist revolution. One of their methods is Cloward Piven – bankrupt the state with socialist programs, the other method is multiculturalism and tolerance – import non-integrating third world colonists, and normalize behaviorally abnormal groups, to attack our western culture.

      • Waffle

        It’s happening at warp speed right before our eyes. Don’t blink.

  • Norman_In_New_York

    Eventually, they will come to blows, just like the Sunnis and Shiites.

    • Surele Surele

      And who has a better chance of ‘winning’. Good-bye leftists.

      • Xavier

        Progressives are badly underestimating Islam’s innate violence and goal of absolute domination.

      • Waffle

        The crocodile is saving them for last.

        • Surele Surele

          A dessert?

          • Waffle

            Just so.

          • Surele Surele


  • DD_Austin

    Ever consider the way the islamic elite live?

    The left wants totalitarian rule, with them at the top
    they want the mass of plebs to live as willing slaves.
    Neither elite lives under islamic law themselves.
    they just want absolute obedience, and Islam will give them that,

    There is no “tension” between the Islam elite and the leftist elite, they’ll both
    pay lip service to Islam as a road to a feudal theocratic system

    • That is a good point about the elites.

  • Jay Currie

    I have the awful sense that the pomo lefties think they are using Islam.

    Unlike the more knock kneed established Christian churches that is not how Islam rolls.

  • WalterBannon

    useful idiots, aka “liberals”

  • Billy Bob Thornton

    I wouldn’t define myself as mainstream Avi because I am against the NDP and the Liberal party because they have supported wars and I am anti-imperialist because I am against NATO, the IMF and these groups that cause wars so I am consistent. I follow what the Canadian Action party follows as their foreign policy or what a Socialist party would follow which is non-interventionism. As for Muslims being normally imperialist I have to disagree because who gives them the tools, the weapons and the arms. Find out where the money goes. The left doesn’t believe in totalitarianism because that is more of a talking point that those that believe in culture wars tend to use as a brush. I believe in either civic nationalism or left wing democratic socialism which are definitely anti-mainstream and for massive draw-downs in money for foreign wars but more money for protecting those go into foreign wars. But what is the solution besides demonization, criticizing, advocating for total war or what? I have yet to see any substantial moderate solutions that would actually bring down the crises in the Middle East which I would say is a problem having to do with US foreign policy since the 1950’s.

    • You need to study the matter a lot more before you speak, BBT.

      • Billy Bob Thornton

        Like I said in the previous one which you probably didn’t see is that this is a Saudi alliance against the Iranian alliance and the West is to easy to give these areas money. What more can be said other than that. And yes the West did fund the Free Syrian Army which became ISIS. So yes I think the West creates enemies and yes I am 9/11 truth. And I am not a liberal or a social democrat because they are failed ideologies. What you forget Avi is that even isolationist libertarians can be against war on demand. Think about Ron Paul. So to restrict a certain part of the spectrum based on ideology is not understanding the dichotomy between libertarianism versus authoritarianism. I also find it interesting that after 14+ years people still have not woken up. I mean how long are people going to be bamboozled by talking points. The question do we ramp up to ever more war or do we leave these areas alone? I mean what does victory look like?

        If you want defeat then why not stop giving money to Middle Eastern countries?

        • You fail to go to the essence of the matter. It is not about money or about immediate victory. It is about Islam and the threat it poses here and now to the whole Western world’s liberty and culture. This essence is what you need to focus on, the rest is ways and means. Certainly, I agree, we should not give or sell weapons to ANY Arab or Muslim groups or nations, for such weapons can ultimately be used against us. (Notice that I do not like you or Ron Paul say “Middle Eastern countries” – for we should certainly arm Israel and other anti-Arab and anti-Muslim forces.)

        • Jabberwokk

          Your whole premise is flawed because you think the problem is materialistic. Islam is not materialistic but the western philosophies are. You think it boils down to wars over the gaining of wealth. But Islam fights for other worldly glory and has provided a pathway through it’s enemies. They will willingly sell there lives for the chance at immortality.

          You can not defeat Islam because you can not understand what it is to have faith. To have faith is to believe in something or someone greater then yourself. But you can’t because in your world there is nothing greater than the self. You want to be your own government, have your own policies, choose your own morality, even pick your own spirituality (that suits you best of course)and in the process in essence become your own god himself. In Islam that doesn’t exist. There is something greater then all, that allows them the mindset to enforce upon and conquer with that idea on all they meet. They must because it’s enforced and they must because it’s in the best interest. eternity is at stake, something the west knows nothing about.

          You can not defeat Islam because you have kicked out the only worldview that could have helped you understand it. As the Russian historian Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn figured out during the collapse of the Soviet Union that “Men have forgotten God” . We live in a world that calls for all manor of Sexual Deviancy it’s ok to come out of the closet instead of clean it while telling Christians to get in theirs. You Strip any mention of the Christian origins of western society from the governments, schools, anthems, currency, symbols of office, businessess, public life and then have the gull to ask where God went when towers fall, resurgent disease appears, riots in the streets cause unrest, record droughts go there 4rth year, planes are shot out of the sky, and on and on.

          You can not win because you have nothing to offer.
          You can not win because you don’t know you what your up against.
          You can not win because you have forgotten that which could have helped you.

          Poor, ignorant, and alone, the old man of the left trundles to his doom.

      • Xavier

        How does he know what he thinks until he sees what he says?

        • Billy Bob Thornton

          I know what I am saying and that 1400 years reference is nothing but assumptions. I don’t believe that they are naturally like this. The only ones that are assuming these things are just being used and are also useful idiots by those that would take people to war. It is by that notion going to be a clash of civilizations which is not prudent!

          • The clash of civilizations is going on right now – it is not a future event. Try and read some history books (not pro-Islam takkiyah books) and see how Islam has behaved really since its inception in the 7th cent. There is no assumption – it is fact written in blood and suffering. The Muslims have been killing and enslaving for 1400 years. Not because that is their nature, but because that is what the Islamic doctrine (Koran, etc.) teaches and enjoins them to do. Your denying this is the height of absurdity.

  • Oracle9

    If there’s anyone who has not read the seminal work on this subject, it’s time to order a copy: “United in Hate: The Lefts Romance with Tyranny and Terror” by Jamie Glazov.

    • Good book I recommend it.

      • Oracle9

        While the solution mostly remains in the realm of psychotherapists (think deprogrammers of cult members), the book really does do a good job of chronicling the history, attributes, and journalists and public figures infected with the leftist mentality.

        That Potemkin villages actually existed – that humans’ minds were actually swayed by such things, really helped me to never again overestimate the intelligence of our species.

  • What sundry liberals and leftists (including BBT who comments here) still do not understand is that the Arabs/Moslems are not fighting a war of liberation, or self-defense, or even revenge – they are fighting a war of AGGRESSION. Their Western supporters, like BBT, assign them motives like anti-colonialism and anti-imperialism, and the Arabs/Moslems are quite happy to take up these clichés when it suits them (takkiyah). Such categories are not part of their thinking or their culture. The historical and actual truth is that the Arabs/Moslems are ideologically, through their guidebook the Koran, all FOR imperialism and colonialism (i.e. conquest and settlement) – so long as they are the perpetrators. They have been engaged in these activities for 1400 years, and now there is a resurgence of these very activities, with the whole Western world, including Europe, the US and Canada, Australia and NZ, and of course Israel, in their sights. They certainly wish and aim to take these territories over and subjugate their populations. This is, to repeat, a war of Aggression and nothing else.

    • andycanuck

      Just like the American leftists who said 9/11 was America’s fault because of the U.S. not fighting Global Warming!

    • Billy Bob Thornton

      I don’t even support Islam. I am merely against war. They have been sold to us by what I would call manipulation. Who says that I am against defending the nation but who says we have a right to violate sovereignty of other nations. Remember that these wars we have caused since 9/11 have been to the benefit of the weapon manufacturers. Where have they benefited us after 14+ years?

      If you want defeat then why not stop giving money to Middle Eastern countries?

      I also after 14+ years have yet to hear what victory actually looks like.

      I mean these seem like never-ending wars.

      • Minicapt
      • We have the natural right to attack any nation that is busy planning and working for our destruction. Afghanistan and Iraq were attacked because of their training terrorists and similar activities aimed against the West (including 9/11). What do you want us to do, lay back and let these evil people kill us all or enslave us. The West is in a war of self-defense – a fully just war. We cannot achieve victory if we hee and haw about it as you do. When Obama withdrew from Iraq, the Islamic State terrorists moved in to fill the vacuum. When Obama allows Iran to get the bomb, Iran will use the bomb asap.

    • Billy Bob Thornton

      And no I do not believe in collective punishment which was said to never be allowed again during the Nuremberg Trials. Some on here are even for the Fox News mentality of wanting mass conversions of Muslims to Christianity or Judaism but it is one of the major religions in the world. You either believe in universal religions or you believe that a religion is a cult and they either convert or die? Sounds to me that it is a form of collective punishment.

      • Who said anything about collective punishment? I certainly do not advocate the Muslims convert or die as you claim. I do believe that Muslims have no place in Western countries, because their ideology is diametrically opposed to Western rule of law and human rights. Islam is not a religion, even if 1.2 billion people adhere to it. It is an extremely evil political doctrine of world domination, worse than the Nazi or Communist doctrines. The religious aspects of it are of no interest to me except insofar as they are oppressive and repressive. If Muslims do not want to give up this evil doctrine, they should go back to their Arabian desert and enjoy it there – not bring it to us and force us to adhere to it too. Even if many Muslims in the West seem peaceful, their long term effect is to plant and nurture that evil doctrine here – so they are de facto working for our destruction.

    • Minicapt