Tunisia atrocity can be traced back to Western bombing of Libya

Tunisian’s president Beji Caid Essebsi, left, lays a wreath in memory of the victims of the terrorist attack at the Bardo Museum in Tunis, Sunday March 22, 2015. (AP)

The aim of the NATO-led bombing raids on Libya four years ago was to “protect civilians.” It was the start of the Arab Spring, and Western leaders believed that Libyans were in mortal danger from their long-term dictator Muammar Qaddafi. The multi-billion-dollar aerial war against him lasted seven months and, following his demise in Oct. 2011, the country was in utter chaos, with up to 30,000 people killed.

The deceit behind another disastrous Western intervention in the affairs of a Muslim state came into sharp focus in Tunisia this month with the murders of at least 22 men and women, mostly Western civilians.

Within a day of the atrocity at the Bardo National Museum in Tunis, it was confirmed that the two terrorists responsible had been trained at a militia camp in Libya. Tunisian Security Minister Rafik Chelly said there were now so many jihadist bases in Libya that would-be killers could choose one according to which foreign country they came from.

The “Tunisian camps” are mainly in Sabratha, Benghazi and Derna. A vast arsenal of weapons is available, most left over from the Arab Spring, when the West supplied rebels with everything from rocket launchers to high-powered assault rifles. They have since been used by rival militias, including radical Islamist ones, to murder thousands more civilians in a barbaric period of ethnic cleansing…

  • Drunk_by_Noon

    Hummm… maybe it’s something else?

    It’s always the west’s fault with these clowns.
    No matter what!

    Had we left Kaddafi and Saddam Hussein in power and unmolested, they would be screaming about our double standard and lack of a viable “human rights” policy.
    The real problem is their animalistic culture, their barbaric religious practices, and nihilistic worldview that disavows the worth of anyone outside of their tribe.

    They will just as surely kill with sticks and rocks instead of Kalashnikovs.
    It’s not the tools, but the beliefs that animate the men who wield the tools!
    You want to see the face of evil and misery Libya?
    Look into the nearest un-smashed mirror!

    • dance…dancetotheradio

      Don’t beat about the bush, man.
      Tell us how you really feel.

      • Drunk_by_Noon

        Today I feel like a manic street preacher railing at the passing traffic.
        I think I’ll have tea and watch a movie.

        • dance…dancetotheradio

          I agree with you that despots are a feature not a bug of islamic ‘civilizations’.
          As for your choice of movie, may I recommend Barfly with Mickey Rourke?

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Right now I’m halfway through “Donny Darko” the director’s cut, but I’m grabbing “Barfly” too. The download is in progress.

            Really, I’m amazed at technology because what we are doing is straight up StarTrek stuff when you think about it.

            Some guy, whom I have never met, but I share political views with, that is on the other side of the North American continent, and in a different country no less, can recommend a movie and I can electronically grab it, for free, while I’m also watching the first movie that I never even heard of when it was released, and have it ready to go when the first movie finishes and control it all from a handheld tablet.
            I mean really.
            Had someone told me this in 1984, I would have said they were nuts.

            Then again, had someone in 1984 told me that I would possess over 100,000 pieces of music and that it would take no more room than a 3 1/2″ x 5 1/4 square inside a box that would have more processing power than all of the world’s supercomputers combined (at that time), and that I would have several of these machines, I would have thought you were high.
            Weird times indeed!

            And thanks for the movie recommendation!

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            ‘Donny Darko’ is a good movie.
            Pacino wasn’t paying the rent in that one.
            I’d like to ask you a few questions about your impression of it.
            No spoilers, though.
            I’ll wait until you finish watching.
            Actually, I think I’m going to go get it myself.
            I’ve never seen the directors cut.
            Usually just get that deer in the headlights thing when it’s on AMC.
            How did you ever stumble onto BCF?
            Honestly, I don’t know how I did, either.
            In 1984, your digital Casio wristwatch had as much processing power as the computer that was on the moon lander in 1969.
            I have an interest in finding out what the hardware and software was on those missions.
            Barfly was based on the life of Charles Bukowski.
            I thought it might be interesting for you since he lived in LA.
            Your neck of the woods.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            I have seen ‘Darko a bunch of times, so no worries about spoilers. I think the directors cut is the only way to go with that movie as it’s already a confusing film in it’s own right. With chucks missing, it would be totally inscrutable unless you had read the book or books, and that’s just too much trouble.
            So sure, ask away!

            I found my way here through a circuitous route after publicly denouncing Ace in his own forum at which time he dropped the mask, had a minor melt-up, and told me to leave and never come back.

            I gleefully complied.

            At the risk of sounding like Holden Caulfield I’ll just say he’s about as authentic as Velveta cheese but running the same game that Charles at Little Green Footballs used to do, but with a more sophisticated bad boy vibe that’s akin to a 50-year old buying his first Harley. Everything he is he owes to Allah Pundit, and I had way too many public rants against him there anyways.

            Then I started reading HDB and some light Manosphere stuff, but not taking the whole thing very seriously, but kept noticing that on occasion that some people would occasionally link back to Kathy Shadle’s FFF. I don’t yet remember if she was writing for Taki yet.

            Then I noticed that she only linked to this blog, which I thought was a classy thing to do, because it was he husband’s blog, and so I checked this place out and nobody here was patently nuts, and it seemed like a “happy place”.

            I lurked for a few months, then commented anonymously for a few more months here, and then I just stayed.

            So, that is the Reader’s Digest version of how I came to be here.

            What I like best about this place is that I can have serious disagreements with other people here, but still respect them because at least their train of thought is usually reasoned out.

            Most places are not like that, and I really care more about why people think they way they do rather than the insistence that they think just like me. Unless of course I’m trolling for kicks at Gawker or Salon and they are just lost causes anyway. I usually don’t care what they think.

            Here, I always learn something new, from somebody.
            Funny that you mention Charles Bukowski!
            My daughter quoted him in her graduating address to her high school class.
            I think her and I were the only ones to have gotten the reference. 🙂
            I’ll definitely see the movie now!

            “I have an interest in finding out what the hardware and software was on those (moon lander) missions.”

            Mostly it was all one-off custom stuff that was unique to the Apollo program. As the technology was progressing at such a rapid clip, it was all scrapped for newer, better, and faster when the program ended.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            Back to Darko.
            The look on Pacino’s face when he finds out.
            And then at the end when he puts his stuff in the dresser drawer and says goodbye to his wife as he pulls the front door shut behind him.
            About Barfly.
            I’ve heard that Rourke went full method during the shooting of that movie. He didn’t shave or shower so he could stay in character.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Are you thinking Donnie BRASCO?

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            Uh, yeah.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Yeah, WAY different movie. 🙂

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            I remember that rabbit from the commercials on TV in 2001.
            I never saw the movie even though I do like the Gyllenhaal’s.
            Maggie was great in that movie with James Spader.
            I think it was called Secretary.
            Anyway, in 2001 my second child was born.
            My wife stayed home in our crappy two bedroom apartment while I went to work many hours managing banquets in a hotel.
            Not a lot of money for a night out at the movies then, with two little ones barely a year apart.
            Played a whole lot of Spyro the Dragon on Playstation, though.
            Things changed.
            Kids went into a before and after school program, my wife went back to work and I went back to school.
            Now, I’ve got teenagers to worry about.
            Wish I could go up north for a few years and come back when they are in university.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Secretary is a pretty good movie once you realize where it’s going.
            I had my kids almost ten years earlier, so they missed a lot of the nonsense that teenagers today are exposed too. I think. Maybe they were just exposed to other nonsense.

            I also was too busy working from about 1988 until about 2003 to really notice anything. Actually from 1988 until about 2004 I don’t remember much. Big things like 9/11 I remember well, but popular culture from the 1990s and all the the melenia stuff are just a blank spot.

          • dance…dancetotheradio

            Daughter says, ‘Dad, when do I get a phone?’
            ‘Where’s your iPod?’ I ask.
            She answers, ‘I left it at my friends house, a week ago.’
            ‘You’re not gettin’ a phone.’

    • BillyHW


  • Censored_often

    I don’t know about you guys, but I miss Saddam and this guy a lot!!!!! Dictators were assholes but predictable assholes. Better to know your enemy than otherwise.

    • Drunk_by_Noon

      Except when they are blowing up airliners over Scotland.
      For that act alone, Kaddafi had to die.

      • Censored_often

        Nobody is killing Merkel in Germany right now claiming the recent airline disaster in the French alps was her responsibility. In any case, it’s my basic understanding that the Libyan dictator was notorious like Saddam but at least kept the Islamists under his thumb.

        Democracy is completely incompatible in Muslim countries and they require strong dictators. The airline over Scotland was unfortunate, but now Libya is a dangerous Islamist hellhole with thousands of citizens willingly joining ISIS and other citizens loyal to ISIS.

        • Drunk_by_Noon

          Did Merkel order Andreas Lubitz to crash his plane into the Alps?

          “Democracy is completely incompatible in Muslim countries and they require strong dictators.”
          Agreed on that one.

          • Censored_often

            One important word in my above comment is “claiming”, since of course any link between Merkel and the insane pilot doesn’t exist. As for Islam, democracy will never be compatible with this vile and evil ideology.

          • Drunk_by_Noon

            Kadaffi was responsible for Lockerbie, unless you are claiming he wasn’t. Other than that, I don’t know where you are going with this.

            Yes, Islam has no legitimate place in the west. No disagreement there.

  • Billy Bob Thornton

    Well Libya never should have happened and we were told that Gaddafi was going to conquer Benghazi but the question is with everything he ever did I still have to question why at that particular time? I still say there was another motive and we the Canadian people must do our own research because the mainstream media cannot be trusted and the same goes with the political class.

    Whether silent or vocal these wars seem as if they happen because people have to ask are wars now commonplace in our economy. Therefore are we following the US model of having a war economy? Troops should be supported but the politicians that get them into wars have to be questioned and should never be allowed to get away with taking people to war on lies.

    • Frau Katze

      Many people supported (including me at the time) supported going after Gaddafi on strictly humanitarian grounds (i.e. he was about to pound Benghazi to pieces). I’m wiser now.

      He would have just gone after the rebels Benghazi, who turned out to be a pack of Islamoloons.

      Now one of his former generals is desperately trying to keep the (elected) secular govt faction from collapsing completely. Political Islamists (Libya Dawn) are in control of Tripoli.

      The seculars are holding out in Tobruk. In between, Islamic State has one city and the country is crawling with militias, mostly with an Islamist bent.

  • Minicapt

    The Tunisian atrocity can be traced back to standard Mohammedan behaviours.


    • Frau Katze

      Always the ultimate source.